No One Can Know the Day or the Hour

Joseph F. Dumond

Isa 6:9-12 And He said, Go, and tell this people, You hear indeed, but do not understand; and seeing you see, but do not know. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn back, and be healed. Then I said, Lord, how long? And He answered, Until the cities are wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land laid waste, a desolation, and until Jehovah has moved men far away, and the desolation in the midst of the land is great.
Published: Jul 26, 2018
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News Letter 5854-018
The 2nd Year of the 4th Sabbatical Cycle
The 23rd year of the 120th Jubilee Cycle
The 14th day of the 5th month 5854 years after the creation of Adam
The 5th Month in the Second year of the Fourth Sabbatical Cycle
The 4th Sabbatical Cycle after the 119th Jubilee Cycle
The Sabbatical Cycle of Sword, Famines, and Pestilence

July 28, 2018

Shabbat Shalom Brothers and Sisters of Yehovah family,

The 9th of Av, Did you see what happened?

Last week we told you to watch and see what takes place this week during Tish b’Av. Now some say this day is the 9th of Av others say it is the 10th of Av.

This past Sunday was the 8th of Av but at sunset, it became the 9th of Av.

Sunday afternoon Mike Pompeo said the following in a public speech.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Sunday launched a blistering attack on Iran’s clerical and military rulers, calling them a kleptocracy akin to the mafia in a message the United States plans to start broadcasting heavily in Iran.

“The level of corruption and wealth among regime leaders shows that Iran is run by something that resembles the mafia more than a government,” Mr Pompeo said in speech made to a largely Iranian American audience at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library outside Los Angeles.

Mr Pompeo’s remarks on Sunday reprised his criticism of the Iranian government, but on a deeply personal level that is likely to be repeated in the US government broadcasts into Iran.

He lit into what he called Iran’s “hypocritical holy men”, saying the ruling elites have enriched themselves through corruption, and called out officials by name who he said had plundered government coffers through embezzlement or by winning lucrative contracts.

He singled out “the billionaire general”, Interior Minister Sadegh Mahsouli; Grand Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi, the “Sultan of Sugar”; and Sadeq Ardeshir Larijani, the head of Iran’s judiciary, whom he said had embezzled $300 million in public money.

“Call me crazy,” Mr Pompeo said, “but I’m a little skeptical that a thieving thug under international sanctions is the right man to be Iran’s highest-ranking judicial official.”

He also attacked Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for presiding over a $95 billion “sludge fund” for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Mr Pompeo also blamed the government for Iran’s economic woes, which have led to anti-government protests nationwide.

“The bitter irony of the economic situation in Iran is that the regime uses its time to line its own pockets while its people cry out for jobs, reform and opportunity,” Mr Pompeo said. “The Iranian economy is going great – but only if you’re a politically connected member of the elite.”

Understand the Ayatollah has $95 Billion with a “B” at his control to do with what he wants while his people are suffering.

This next News report suggests that this was said before Mike Pompeo’s speech. But then it might have been after. I am not sure. Again this is still Sunday, July 22 about 5:43 PM.

TEHRAN: Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani today warned the United States not to “play with the lion’s tail”, saying that conflict with Iran would be the “mother of all wars”.

Addressing his US counterpart Donald Trump, Rouhani said: “You declare war and then you speak of wanting to support the Iranian people.”You cannot provoke the Iranian people against their own security and interests,” he said in a televised speech at a gathering of Iranian diplomats in Tehran.

Rouhani repeated his warning that Iran could shut down the strategic Strait of Hormuz, a vital shipping lane for international oil supplies.

“We have always guaranteed the security of this strait. Do not play with the lion’s tail, you will regret it forever,” he said.

“Peace with Iran would be the mother of all peace and war with Iran would be the mother of all wars.” Rouhani spoke ahead of a much-trailed speech by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo later today, seen as part of Washington’s efforts to foment unrest against the Islamic government in Iran.

Now at 11:24 PM which is now the 9th of Av President Trump let go his famous tweet now.


On Monday, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif issued the first regime response to Mr. Trump’s Twitter warning, saying in his own tweet: “COLOR US UNIMPRESSED: The world heard even harsher bluster a few months ago. And Iranians have heard them – albeit more civilized ones – for 40 yrs. We’ve been around for millennia & seen fall of empires, incl our own, which lasted more than the life of some countries. BE CAUTIOUS!”

Friday, July 27 is the full blood moon over the Middle East and Europe, and many people are saying so what. They had 4 Blood Moon on the High Holy Days in 2014 and 2015 and nothing happened.

WOW right there. Let’s take another look at what HAS happened.

First of all, there was a blood moon at Passover in 2014 Sukkot in 2014, Passover in 2015, Sukkot in 2015 Passover in 2016 and Sukkot in 2016. There were 6 Blood moon events not just four but six of them over the course of those three years. Extremely rare.

ISIS, although they began in Iraq in 2009, did not come to control the area of Syria and Iraq until the summer of 2014. ISIS in 2018 has all but been eliminated. Then as the Syrians fought back to take back their land from the rebels and ISIS and other groups they invited the Russians to help them and now Russia has a port to use in Syria on the Mediterranean Sea. Some are saying this is the start of the Gog Magog War. I am not one of those people though. But we will see.

Then in August of 2015,

Chancellor Angela Merkel and Berlin took the lead in efforts to resolve the European refugee crisis on Monday by declaring all Syrian asylum-seekers welcome to remain in Germany – no matter which EU country they had first entered.

That was followed by Millions of North African and Syrian and Islamic “refugees” who flooded Europe with young men. The raping of European young women soon followed. The EU now has an army of youth who hate Israel. This voice is seen many times in the UN.

With so many nations having proxy wars in Syria it is very difficult to know who is fighting for whom. But it does not matter. What matters is that Syria is in ruins. In all of this, I keep coming back to the prophecy of Isiah over and over.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks; and they shall lie down and there shall be none to make them afraid. The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith Jehovah of hosts. And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall become lean.

We now can see All of Syria is a ruinous heap. So next comes the part where Ephraim is to have his fortress removed. And the glory of Jacob or all of Israel, all 12 tribes will be made thin and will become lean.

So with this on my mind, the PBS News Hour had the following report. I urge you all to watch this. 

The USA has just given their farmers 12 Billion in aid because of the trade wars that are ongoing. The entire bean crop is in jeopardy of being lost. To harvest the beans with the spot market price today means they all will harvest the crops just so they can lose money. Corn and wheat and other crops are dealing with the same problem. Is the USA about to become lean with food shortages. And if the USA has a food shortage, the rest of the world is going to starve.

The Blood moon is a warning of a coming war. The Dark moon which is a dark yellow moon warns of famine coming.

In the news this week was the horrific wildfire that swept through Greece killing over 70 people. England, Canada, Europe, the USA and Australia are all having wildfires plaguing them right now. The second curse of Lev 26 warns us that if we do not turn back to the Torah then Yehovah will do as He promised.

Lev 26 18 And if for this ye hearken not unto me, I will punish you sevenfold more for your sins, and I will break the arrogance of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as bronze, and your strength shall be spent in vain, and your land shall not yield its produce; and the trees of the land shall not yield their fruit.

We have explained this in great detail in our video The Blood Moons, please do watch it and share it with others and let them know what is going on.

Now let us get back to the things going on with the USA and Iran and the threats.

Here is what it says in Daniel 8 about what I think are the events you’re watching on the news each night now.

I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward, and no beast could stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; and he did according to his will, and became great. And as I was considering, behold, a he-goat came from the west over the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. And he came to the ram that had the two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran upon him in the fury of his power. And I saw him come close to the ram, and he was enraged with him, and smote the ram, and broke his two horns; and there was no power in the ram to stand before him; and he cast him down to the ground, and trampled upon him; and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. And the he-goat became exceeding great; but when he was become strong, the great horn was broken; and in its stead came up four notable ones toward the four winds of the heavens.

15 And it came to pass, when I Daniel had seen the vision, I sought for the understanding of it, and behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man’s voice between [the banks of] the Ulai; and he called and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision. And he came near where I stood; and when he came, I was afraid, and fell on my face; and he said unto me, Understand, son of man; for the vision is for the time of the end. Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep stupor, with my face toward the ground. And he touched me, and set me up where I had stood. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be at the end of the indignation: for at the set time the end shall be. The ram that thou sawest having the two horns: they are the kings of Media and Persia. And the rough goat is the king of Greece; and the great horn that was between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up in its stead, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not with his power. And at the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors shall have come to the full, a king of bold countenance, and understanding riddles, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy marvellously, and shall prosper, and shall practise, and shall destroy the mighty ones, and the people of the saints. And through his cunning shall he cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he will magnify [himself] in his heart, and by prosperity will corrupt many; and he will stand up against the Prince of princes: but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evening and the morning which hath been told is true; but close thou up the vision, for it is for many days [to come].

Now the Goat from the west is that the USA or does Greece represent the EU. Although the Greeks at first were the children of Israel, it is my view that this is speaking of the EU and that Iran is going to attack it. And then the EU retaliates and crushes the Iranians. I say the EU because it is the King of the North and Iran the King of the South.

Daniel 11 is a long list of events that have taken place between the King of the North and the King of the South. It never includes the USA but it does include the EU.

Brethren we are on the edge of something historic and devastating and detrimental to us all. It will result in the 12 tribes of Israel being hunted and killed for 6 1/4 years starting in 2020.

The Blood moons of 2014, 2015, 2016 and note this one right after the 9th of Av and the events that just happened are warning us that war is about to come. Are you preparing to flee and do you know where your fleeing?

Mathew 24:2-0 But pray that your flight may not be in winter time nor on sabbath: for then shall there be great tribulation, such as has not been from [the] beginning of [the] world until now, nor ever shall be; and if those days had not been cut short, no flesh had been saved; but on account of the elect those days shall be cut short.

It is time to get right with Yehovah. It is time to repent from not keeping the Sabbath and the Holy Days and the Sabbatical year. It is time to start keeping them while you have the time to do so. Watch our video about the blood moons and see if what we are saying is true or not.

You decide.

Septennial Torah Reading Parashah # 70

We have resumed the Septennial Torah readings on our site. We used to do them and I would comment each week.
I will give you the reading for this week and you can go and read them without my comments. Instead of them being the annual Torah readings that are done in one year, the Septennial reading is done twice over the 7 year Sabbatical cycle.

The first week’s reading would have been done on April 1, 2017. This is the start of the first week in this 4th Sabbatical cycle right after the Shemitah year was done. Since this time, this Sabbath is now the 70th week of this Sabbatical Cycle. The readings for this Sabbath is very significant. Exodus is our Mariage Ketubah which we all agreed to at Mount Sinai. And the Isaiah section is the lead up to the 2 Kings 19:29 which determines our Sabbatical and Jubilee cycles. Very important for us to understand.

Week #           Shabbat Date     Torah             Neviim              Ketuvim           Brit Chadasha

70                  28/07/2018        Ex 24             Isaiah 34-36       Ps 140-143      John 12

Jan has now informed me that all the Torah study commentary is now linked to each of the studies thanks to James. I had done a commentary on each section in the previous Sabbatical cycle. So although the dates are for that time the commentary is still relevant. Here is the link to the Torah study for week 70 

You can see all the Torah studies at this link or by going to the Library and clicking on the 3 1/2 year Torah Reading

Go in Peace

The following is from a few years ago and with many of the new people still learning about the Sabbath and Holy Days, I thought I would share this note once again.

I received the following email a couple weeks ago and want to share it with all of you and then comment on it.

I have a question. I started my garden in the spring I didn’t think about the Sabbath year. It is all planted, and growing. I am new to this Sabbath days and years, but the 4th commandment says to keep it
holy. Anyway I believe what you are saying about the word of God. I brought this up at bible study they said go and join the 7 day ad. church. I need a little help because I believe the bible is the word
of God. I miss the 1st month feast days I don’t want to miss the fall feast days. Should I walk away from the garden this year? I thank God for your wed site.
Thanks Lynn Jones

What would you answer? I shared this with my team at and was given sound advice. I prayed about it and was led to a teaching from Nehemiah Gordon & Keith Johnson on Naaman.

Here is the story and then I will add my comments after.

2Ki 5:1  And Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Syria, was a great and exalted man with his master, because Jehovah had given deliverance to Syria by him. He was also a mighty man, but a leper. 2  And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and captured a little girl out of the land of Israel. And she waited on Naaman’s wife. 3  And she said to her mistress, I wish my lord were with the prophet in Samaria! For he would recover him from his leprosy. 4  And one went in and told his lord, saying, This and this said the girl from the land of Israel. 5  And the king of Syria said, Go, go in and I will send a letter to the king of Israel. And he departed and took with him ten talents of silver and six thousand of gold, and ten changes of clothing. 6  And he came in with the letter to the king of Israel, saying, And now when this letter has come to you, behold, I have sent Naaman my servant to you. And you shall recover him of his leprosy. 7  And it happened when the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his clothes and said, Am I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man sends to me to recover a man from his leprosy? For consider now, and see, for he is coiling himself toward me. 8  And it happened when Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had torn his clothes, he sent to the king, saying, Why have you torn your clothes? Let him now come to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel. 9  And Naaman came with his horses and with his chariot, and stood at the door of the house of Elisha. 10  And Elisha sent a messenger to him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall come to you, and you shall be clean. 11  But Naaman was angry, and went away. And he said, Behold, I said within myself, He will surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of Jehovah his God, and strike his hand over the place and recover the leper. 12  Are not Abana and Pharpar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? May I not wash in them, and be clean? And he turned and went away in a rage. 13  And his servants came near and spoke to him and said, My father, ifthe prophet had told you to do a great thing, would you not have done it? How much rather then, when he says to you, Wash and be clean? 14  And he went down and dipped seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God. And his flesh came again like the flesh of a little boy, and he was clean. 15  And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company. And he came and stood before him. And he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel. And now please take a blessing from your servant. 16  But he said, As Jehovah lives, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And he urged him to take it, but he refused. 17  And Naaman said, Please shall there not then be given to your servant two mules’ burden of earth? For your servant will from now on offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice to other gods, but to Jehovah. 18  In this thing may Jehovah pardon your servant, that when my master goes to the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he is supported by my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon; when I bow myself in the house of Rimmon, may Jehovah pardon your servant in this thing. 19  And he said to him, Go in peace. And he went away from him a little way.

When I first learned about the Sabbaths in 1982 I was working 7 days a week as a Pipeline Foreman. I had as many as 50 men working under my authority. We had the crew split up into three sections with straw bosses looking after each group of men, the Right-of-way and digging crew, the pipe gang and welding crew, the lowering in crew, and then the backfill and clean up crew. We used to go up and down four lanes of traffic in Quebec City and Trois Riviere digging up the one lane, cutting jackhammering and then doing all of our work and paving it by the end of the day. We would do about 1,000 meters every day. That was my crew.

In Quebec City I had 5 crews, all of about 50 men, each doing this throughout the city and we all worked 7 days a week.

I was both a Foreman and then a Supt. And yet I was being called to keep this Sabbath rest on Saturdays. I tried to prove it wrong and could not. Even my Catholic Church said if I went by the bible that I would have to admit that the Saturday Sabbath is the Sabbath.

With all of this responsibility I had and trying to build a name and a career, I now had to wrestle with this Sabbath question and working on Saturdays.

I was praying and reading and learning lots of things I was never taught in church.

So I decided to set up my crews and line them out with the days work each Saturday morning and then once they were going I would sneak away and drive the 3-hour drive to Montreal to attend Sabbath service. The people were so nice and so generous, inviting me to stay with them and to eat with them after Sabbath. But then when I went back to work the next day I was greeted with a disaster. the first week they hit a major electric line, shutting down over half of Trois Riviere. The next Sabbath I sneaked away they hit a major trans-Canada Bell Line and then the third week they hit a major water line. During the week nothing went wrong but on the Sabbath when I was supposed to be there, disasters struck. Why God? I am trying to obey.

My boss and the owner of the company came to me and asked me what was going on. I thought I was about to be fired. My career was about to be destroyed. I explained to them why I was going to Montreal each Saturday. I walked out of the meeting with my head low and about to pack up my things and return home. I was working out of town. Monday they sent out a memo to all employees stating that this company would no longer be working on Saturdays. This upset many of the men who wanted the overtime and it stunned me as Yehovah had brought this about for my sake. I was happy and stunned at the same time.

Another story: A man has to plant rice in order to pay for his mortgage on his land or he will loose the land. It is the Sabbatical year and the man just learned about it. He plants the fields even though he know he should not. His prior commitments force him to do so, even though he does not want to. Should we condemn this man for having a lack of faith? No, not at all. Then other men in the faith have stepped in and offered to pay the mortgage so that he can keep the Shemitah year.

Other people use the name of Jesus and God when they first come into this walk. Should we jump right on them and tell then not to say it but instead to say Yehshua or Yehovah? No. Absolutely not.

Let us get back to Naaman.

Naaman became a believer in Yehovah after he was healed and wanted to obey Him. But he says in

17  And Naaman said, Please shall there not then be given to your servant two mules’ burden of earth? For your servant will from now on offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice to other gods, but to Jehovah. 18  In this thing may Jehovah pardon your servant, that when my master goes to the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he is supported by my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon; when I bow myself in the house of Rimmon, may Jehovah pardon your servant in this thing.

As the Commander for the Syrian King Naaman had to hold the hand of King as he bowed in the Temple of Rimmon. If he did not bow along with the King it could mean his life would be killed. Naaman no longer believed in Rimmon as we have just read but was trapped in a situation he did not know how to get out of. Much like I was. Much like many of you are when you are called. You had no idea you were sinning when you first learned about the Sabbath and Holy Days.

But Yehovah is the one calling you and just as He did with me – He provided a door of escape for me and He will do the same for you.

What was Elisha’s response? Did he condemn Naaman for worshipping idols like many of you do to others who are still learning, like I was when I first started?

19  And he said to him, Go in peace.

All of us are on a learning curve. Some are just starting and others are well along on the curve. Many have forgotten how they once were when they first began.

To Lynn Jones I say share your garden with others. Eat some of it for yourselves. Do not put any away for the winter. And continue to study Yehovah’s word. Go in Peace.

What did the Apostles say in Acts?

Act 15:6  And the apostles and elders were assembled to see about this matter. 7  And after much disputing, Peter rose up and said to them, Men, brothers, you recognize that from ancient days God chose among us that through my mouth the nations should hear the Word of the gospel, and believe. 8  And God, who knows the hearts, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit even as to us. 9  And He put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10  Now therefore why do you tempt God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples, a yoke which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11  But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, according to which manner they also believed. 12  And all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring what miracles and wonders God had worked among the nations through them. 13  And after they were silent, James answered, saying, Men, brothers, listen to me. 14  Even as Simon has declared how God at the first visited the nations to take out of them a people for His name. 15  And the words of the Prophets agree to this; as it is written, 16  “After this I will return and will build again the tabernacle of David which has fallen down; and I will build again its ruins, and I will set it up, 17  so those men who are left might seek after the Lord, and all the nations on whom My name has been called, says the Lord, who does all these things.” 18  All His works are known to God from eternity. 19  Therefore my judgment is that we do not trouble those who have turned to God from among the nations, 20  but that we write to them that they should abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21  For Moses from ages past has those in every city proclaiming him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

These new people would continue to learn and grow each week as they went to where Moses was taught. You do not have to perfect them all in one sitting. Let them have time to grow and digest and think. Yehovah called them, not you. Let Him work with them. Show them mercy as you were shown mercy. Plant your seed and let it grow.

Now go in Peace

One leads you to Sin and the Other leads you to Yehovah

For the past month, we have been sharing with you the false practices of the Metonic Cycles and the Postponement rules that are incorporated into the Hebrew Calendar and cause you to keep the Holy Days of Lev 23 on days that Yehovah did not say to keep them on. We have been saying in jest that you could find these “new rules” in Lev 29. Lev 29 if you check and many of you did go to look it up, is not there. It is a fictitious chapter the same as these postponement rules and the Metonic 19-year cycles are also fictitious and should not be used.

These are things that have been added to the Torah. And yet over and over we are warned not to add to the Torah. So people do and others then follow those additions.

Deu 4:2 “Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it1, so as to guard the commands of Yehovah your Elohim which I am commanding you.

Deu 12:32 “All the words I am commanding you, guard to do it – do not add to it nor take away from it

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, Lest He reprove you, and you be found a liar.

Rev 22:18 For I witness to everyone hearing the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, Elohim shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Elohim shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the set-apart city, which are written in this Book.

We then asked you all to go outside and look for the first visible crescent and to write to us and become a witness as to whether or not you were saw it. You were acting as one of the two witnesses needed to confirm when the month began.

Sunday, August 12 will be the next opportunity for you and your family to go out and look for the moon and see who can see it first. I want to encourage all of you to do it and to then write in the comments section whether you could see it and where in the world you are and at what time you saw it. All of you should do this as it shows Yehovah you are watching and looking.

We have been telling you that if you keep the Hebrew Calendar then you are sinning by keeping the Holy Days at the wrong time. It is no different than keeping the Sabbath on Sunday or Friday. Yehovah does not recognize it. We are also telling you to go out and look for the crescent moon so that you will learn by actually doing it about why no man can know the day or the hour as Yehshua talks about in the book of Mathew.

No One Can Know the Day or the Hour

I have for years, as a pet project, tried to calculate the return of the Messiah. Whenever I would get some new information I would add it up with what I thought I knew. It has always held my interest. Many have tried to do calculations and have had endless theories, but who is correct? How can we ever figure out when He will return? But in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-28 is a line that has always said to me that we could know when.

Thessalonians 5:1-51 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labour pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

We who are followers of Yehovah are to understand. We are not in the darkness as the rest of the world is. We were to be ready so as not to be surprised as if a thief had sneaked up on us.

In my studies over the years, I have studied the Jubilee, and Land Rest Years. I studied the Feasts and what they meant in times past and what they mean today and what they mean in the future. I am still studying them for an even deeper meaning. I look at the sacrifices and the rituals that the priest performed. I have learned a great deal. As I began to understand these things, Ezekiel 33: 1 – 33 comes to mind.

Ezekiel 33: 1 – 33 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, 3 when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’ 7 “So you, son of man: I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’ “So you, son of man: I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me. When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Now let me say right up front I could be wrong. I have had no visions or dreams and no one has spoken to me from heaven. But what if I am right, and I don’t speak up? What if after, many die, it was up to me to speak up and I did not. Woe is me!

So I will speak up now and put my name on this document and risk the ridicule I will receive from my brethren and others. And maybe this will cause some to get ready and others to begin to study and learn and search out the scriptures. And maybe others still will laugh and carry on as if nothing has been said.

Right now some are already quoting Matthew 24. But read it carefully.

Matthew 24:32-51 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near–at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. 45“Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ 49and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,51and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near–at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, , and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

In this passage, our Messiah says a number of things, but most people stop at 

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

They don’t read or they don’t grasp what is being said when He says “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming” So now we are told to watch. We who are His sheep don’t know the hour. Do we now know the Day? And why can’t we know the hour?

He then says to us concerning the thief in the night, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Again we are told at an hour we do not expect. And again He does not say that we won’t know the day. But of the evil servant, He says “the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,”

He says the evil servant won’t know the day or the hour. WHY?

I have already quoted Paul in;

1 Thessalonians 5:1 -But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.”

Why did Paul not need to write to them concerning the times and season? What is he talking about? Paul is talking about the Holy Days that they kept in the appropriate seasons. They were keeping the Holy Days correctly.

So what does this mean? The Holy Days are shadow pictures of good things to come.

Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

So, let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths. Do not let those who do not keep the Torah sway you with their opinion and their views about how you are to keep the Sabbath and Holy Days. They do not understand how they are shadow images of the Kingdom. The very Kingdom of which you are now an ambassador of.

Hebrew 8:4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” And

Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect., and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

The Thessalonians were keeping the Holy Days correctly and they understood the meaning of each day. Each Holy Day represented a part of our Father’s plan for mankind. I think we all know this. But do we forget that the Sabbath years and the Jubilee Years are also shadow pictures, of good things to come? I can go on for hours in laying down my research this subject, but I will try to come to a summary as quickly as possible and allow the reader to go and research these things themselves like the Bereans.

The Evil servant and those who will not obey Yehovah and His Torah, will not know the Day or the Season, because they won’t be keeping the Holy Days at the correct time or on the correct day, or even keeping them at all. The Good servants will have made themselves ready before the Holy Day arrives. Their garments for the wedding will have been washed white and pressed and laid aside ready to be put on at the exact hour.

Read Matthew 25, and Matthew 22, and get yourself ready. But also note the servants are working to increase the money left them by the King. To increase the Holy Spirit each one was given, when we were all called.

How much have you gained? How worked up is the Spirit in you?

So what day are we talking about? It is the Feast of Trumpets.

This is the day the Messiah is to return. This is the day Yehshua was born in 3 BC. Do some research and you’ll see I am correct on this point. And because it is the Feast of Trumpets, this is why we won’t know the exact hour. I’ll explain.

From all the research I have gathered, the Feast begins in the Seventh month and it begins when the new moon can first be seen in Jerusalem. This is Tishri 1 and the Feast of Trumpets. Once the new moon is spotted, at least two witnesses had to report to the Temple and tell the Guard who would go and get the High Priest and notify him that they had two witnesses. The High Priest would call for the two to come up to him and he would interview the two witnesses to make sure they could see the silver crescent of the new moon and that the sun had set before they saw it. Once the High Priest was satisfied he would call the rest of the Sanhedrin and announce the Feast has arrived and command for the trumpets to be blown announcing the Feast of Trumpets, so all would know.

There are many that will disagree with my conclusions. But consider what I have just said. Everyone is waiting for this announcement to start the Feast. But they are still working away at there job. They already have made their garments white and pressed them. The food for the Feast is prepared in advance waiting. No one knows when the Shofar is to blow. So they keep on working. When the Messiah returns on the Feast of Trumpets, no one will know the hour nor the day, because they won’t know if the moon is going to be sighted today or the next day. [I am referring to a crescent Moon with 1% visibility. A Moon with 2% or more should be easily seen.] But they will know the Feast day is close to being announced. And once it is sighted there is a procedure to go through before it is declared official.

Then the shofars are blown then the Messiah returns. It is the evil servant who does not keep the Feasts nor has bothered to learn about the Torah of Yehovah that is left behind to face the music. How can this be a Feast day if they are still working? If it was a conjuncture moon it would have been predicted in advance and on a day or two before. But, because it is a sighted visible crescent moon that marks the beginning of the first day of the new month. The seventh month, Tishri 1. The Feast of Trumpets, because it is sighted and not known for sure whether it is today or tomorrow, that the Feast begins. That is why the brethren are still working alongside those that won’t be keeping the Holy days at the right time or in the right month.

So if Yehshua follows the example that he gave us in how exactly down to the detail he fulfilled the spring Holy Days, then we can expect Him to also fulfil the fall Holy Days down to the exact detail.

Get ready now! He is coming, and soon! Are you ready? Will you be ready?

OK, let’s pause a second and consider the conjuncture Moon. As we all know it is calculated in advance and we know this year and even years down the road that the Feast of Trumpets is going to be on a certain day. We even plan our Feasts years in advance and book rooms and make plans and book air travel. Why because we know the day of the Feast.

But Yehshua said we would not know which day was the Feast. With a calculated conjuncture Moon you do know what day the Feast is and in effect are calling Yehshua a liar. The other thing a conjuncture Moon and the Hebrew calendar do not take into consideration is the Wave Offering which I discuss in the article Pentecost’s Hidden Meaning. Because we don’t know from year to year when the Barley is going to be ripe until it is actually seen in Israel. If, we don’t know when the beginning of the year is, how can we know when the seventh month will be. And then once we know when the seventh month is we still won’t know which day is the Feast of Trumpets until we see the new Crescent Moon. These two variables prove what Yehshua said in Matt 24: 36

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Another example.

You are about to give birth. You have your bags packed and ready. You know it is going to come at any moment. But you do not know when. But your bags are packed and waiting. Then the first major birth bang starts and you dash off to the hospital to give birth. When that happens depends on many things. So you just do not know.

On the other hand, you could have opted for a caesarian and the date and the hour of this operation to have the baby is like the conjunction moon. You know the date and the time it is going to happen.

We will not know the day or the hour until it happens. In 2005 I kept the Holy Days according to this method. The Barley was early. This caused all the Holy Days to be one month earlier than the Hebrew Calendar. The seventh new Moon was sighted in September and sent out as follows. “On Monday, September 5, 2005, the New Moon of the Seventh Biblical Month was sighted from Israel marking Yom Teruah, the Day of Shouting (Trumpets).”

In this example, if Yehshua had returned this Feast of Trumpets, those of us who were ready would have been chosen while those who thought it was a month away [using the Hebrew Calendar] would have still been working in the fields. [Those using the Barley and a conjunction Moon as the starting point would have been celebrating a day earlier due to the conjunction.]

This example clearly shows that the Day is not known in advance, and never can be really. And the hour also is unknown. A 1 % visible moon is not always seen from Israel. If it is not seen then for sure it will be the next day. And I feel this is what David is doing in 1Samuel 20. The new Crescent was not seen that night therefore it was going to be the next one. Make no mistake a sighted crescent moon can be calculated. But a marginal crescent moon is not always seen. This is the variable.

The conclusion of this paper is not to show when the Messiah is to return. No, but rather, to show why we cannot know the day or the Hour of His return. It is because of this method in determining the New Moon, which marks the beginning of the new Month. It has to be sighted. This fact taken in relation to the Barley and Wave offering clearly show why we will not know when He is to return. At least not the Day or the Hour.

For the rest of this weeks teaching about the birth of the Messiah I would like to take back to an older article about the Courses of Abija


  1. Harold White

    Hi Joe,
    I have been reading Edward Haskel’s comments and as an evangelical Christian myself, I would like clarification from the New Testament on where we are asked to return to the Torah. I have read the New Testament for years and have yet to read any admonition to return to the Torah. Edward gave you plenty of verses from Romans, Galatians and Hebrews that show otherwise but what I want to know is where are we commanded to return to Torah in the New Testament and further what do the spirit of Grace and the New Covenant mean to you.
    Harold White

    • Joseph F. Dumond

      Shabbat Shalom Harold, thank you for writing to us and reading our articles. Edward ignored the scriptures that disagreed with his position.
      I have a few questions for you. You said you have read the New Testament for years. This is good. How many times have you read through the old testament? Be honest. How many times have you read it completely?
      To answer your question of me, I have a couple more questions to first ask you.
      Why do you keep Sunday as your Day of rest? What scriptures do you use to support this?
      Edward talked of having the New Covenant Laws written on his heart. What are those laws? Where are they found? Scripture and verse. When were those laws ratified? That is when were they issued and then agreed to by the other party and written down and a covenant meal ate and blood shed to seal the deal?
      If you are serious about finding the answers to your questions then I need you to answer these questions of mine so we can both resolve this. ANd if you are not able to answer my questions then please admit it so we can help you find the answers. I will respond in kind. That is if you are civil then I will be also. If you are sarcastic then expect the same back. Look forward to hearing back from you.

      • Jan

        Harold White. I just posted a series of Scriptures in response to Edward. Please go reference them. You will notice the 10 commandments are in the Torah and not in the NT. Same with tithing. You pick and choose what is still in existence. The two prominent verses people use for NT is they only have to love the Lord thy God with all your heart and soul and your neighbor as yourself. Go read what I posted and you will see this came from The Torah as well. Paul instructed us to keep the Feasts of Yehovah – 1 Cor 5:7-8. Paul believed all of the Torah – Acts 24:14. Paul always kept the Saturday sabbath as defined by Yehovah – Acts 17:2, 18:4. Paul kept the Feasts – Acts 20:6, 16. Paul taught from the Torah – Acts 28:23. Paul obeyed the Torah – Acts 21:24 & Romans 7:25. Paul delighted in the Torah – Romans 7:22. Paul told us to imitate him – 1 Cor 4:16 & 1 Cor 11:1. Paul did many other things in observance of the Law, but this is enough for now.

    • George Nicknamed The SpitFire

      Hello Mr. Harold White
      I know that you are waiting a response from GrandPa Joe, but the Spirit in me was stirred up to respond to your comment. Please do not take me wrong because I do not argue with any human because I know that our Creator does not any human to perish. 2Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 
      Just recently I responded to someone on my email list, who’s thinking was that this someone was not bound by the Law. I will paste a copy of the email response I sent over as my reply. This may help you to look into it.
      Shalom Harold
      From George Nicknamed the SpitFire
      The Covenant is Broken by The Whole Earth
      Hello Xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Don’t tell me that you are a Gentile Man and you do not come under God’s Laws. Read the following and wake up from your sleep. Don’t be the sleepy foolish Virgin of Christ’s saying that you are without the oil of God’s Spirit. We were fed too many lies in our lifetime. It is the time to trim our lamps and prepare for the Marriage Supper. Get the precious oil while there is still time to get it.
      I also have to point out one other thing here. So many people say the laws are done away with. Or that they are only for when you are an Israelite in the Land of Israel, or that they are only for the Jews. Yet right here in Isaiah, you are told that the WHOLE EARTH HAS BROKEN THE COVENANT AND ARE UNDER A CURSE!
      Xxxxxxxxxx, if you was baptized in Christ, you are Christ’s, and if you are Christ’s, you are a grafted Israelite in Abraham. Read Romans 11:17 to 24.
      Galatians 3:27? For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.?Galatians 3:28? There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.?Galatians 3:29? And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.?
      God’s Laws are for all the whole earth that He created and not for Israel only.
      The following Prophesy will start taking effect within the next 2 years, when Hell will break lose for 6 and a1/4 years. The whole earth has became like Sodom and Gomorra, and God has no other choice but to destroy 90% of the whole population. Read Isaiah 24:1-23.
      Behold, the Lord will empty the earth and make it desolate,
      The earth lies defiled
      Under its inhabitants;
      For they have transgressed the laws,
      Violated the statutes,
      Broken the everlasting covenant.
      Therefore a curse devours the earth,
      And its inhabitants suffer for their guilt;
      Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched,
      And few men are left.
      For the windows of heaven are opened,
      And the foundations of the earth tremble.
      The earth is utterly broken,
      The earth is split apart,
      The earth is violently shaken.
      The earth staggers like a drunken man;
      It sways like a hut;
      Isaiah 24:4-6 The earth mourns and withers;
      The world languishes and withers;
      The highest people of the earth languish.
      The earth lies defiled
      Under its inhabitants;
      For they have transgressed the laws,
      Violated the statutes,
      Broken the everlasting covenant.
      Therefore a curse devours the earth,
      And its inhabitants suffer for their guilt;
      Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched,
      And few men are left.
      Hope that you Xxxxxxxxxx will be one of those few that will be left.
      George Nicknamed the SpitFire

  2. David R Smith

    Greetings Joseph,
    You wrote: “When the Messiah returns on the Feast of Trumpets, no one will know the hour nor the day, because they won’t know if the moon is going to be sighted today or the next day.”
    I’m sure you agree Yahshua is in heaven at the right hand of the Father and not here on earth looking up at the sky searching for the new crescent.
    Mr 13:32 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, NOR THE SON, but only the Father.
    Are you telling us Yahshua does not know when each new moon day begins until the trumpets are blown down here on earth?
    David R Smith

    • Mike

      Hi David,
      You might want to check out some of the articles in the Library of this website. I’ve read the articles each week on this website for many years, and that’s where they get archived. The “Yehovah, Our Elohim” section has articles that discuss Scriptures about Yehovah/Yeshua quite a bit and might help with at least part of your question (specifically, scroll down to the articles under the subsection “Yehovah is ONE” for some of the articles that I’m thinking of).

    • Jayson

      Mr. Smith,
      I’m going to respond to your comment concerning Mark 13:32 which you quoted “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, NOR THE SON, but only the Father”. When we read this verse in English, or any other language besides Hebrew, the meaning is lost due to translation and cultural context. If this verse is read in Hebrew, with an understanding of Hebrew culture, it becomes very clear. Here’s the point. Using one’s “Hebrew lenses” when reading this verse, the reader recognizes the Hebrew idiom that is being used here and would understand that this verse is talking about a Hebrew wedding. In the ancient Hebrew culture, when a son was ready to get married he would approach his father out of respect and ask him if he could take his bride. The father would then see if his son had provided a place (house) for his bride. All this time, the son really knew if he was ready to receive his bride but would bestow this honor to his father. If the son was ready, the father would tell him go receive your bride. We are told in scripture that Yeshua has gone to prepare a place (house) for us (His bride). Yeshua absolutely knows the day and hour but has bestowed this honor to His Father. Hope this helps.

  3. Edward Haskel

    Dear Sighted Moon readers,
    Joe Dumond’s return to Torah is the same as Paul warning to the Galatians in Galatians 2:14 “Why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” Verse 16 “Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW but by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, that we might be justified by THE FAITH OF CHRIST, AND NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, FOR BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, NO FLESH SHALL BE JUSTIFIED”.
    Verse 21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: FOR IS RIGHTEOUSNESS COME BY THE LAW, THEN CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN.”
    Folks, by doing what Joe Dumond is telling you you have made the death of Christ in vain! You are under GRACE through faith in Christ. You are all missing the meaning of the New Covenant and what Christ’s death meant. Read your New Testament. Read all of Galatians and Romans and Hebrews. Please, for your eternal salvations, come to understand the truth of the New Testament.
    Sincerely in Christ,
    Edward T. Haskel

  4. Andre Tiran

    Hi Joe, keep up the good work! You are spot on again. Just seen the blood moon in South Africa. Amazing but also Scarry!! We live in Uitenhage South Africa. Our small group (reduced to 8) follow all of the Shabbat, Feast, Sabbatical, etc. We used to gather on the Shabbat to study the Word, but had to changed to Wednesdays, because not to exceed the distance of a Shabbats walk. Some of the sister’s live in another town. We are non Jews, thus gentiles, that keep the Torah that is applicable to us, as you know certain laws do not apply to us.
    Shalom to all.

    • Angela jasik

      Andre if you are in covenant with YHWH, you are Israel not goyim. I am unsure which laws you believe are not for goyim as Hell says there is one Torah for the native and the stranger (goyim).

  5. George Nicknamed The SpitFire

    Shabbat Shalom Grandpa Joe
    Thanks for making this article very clear to understand of how important it is to follow the Ripened Barley and the
    Sighted Crescent Moons to start the months.
    Just this Sabbath morning I heard a preacher saying to his audience not to listen to those who start the months with the New Crescent Moons. I feel sorry for this individual.

  6. Harold White

    Hello Joe,
    Thank you for responding to my question. Much of what I am going to say, Edward has said simply because as evangelical Christians we have a common theology. To start with, we as evangelical Christians do read the Old Testament. My pastor quotes the Old Testament as much as the New. Watch pastors on television and you will see the same. The fact that there is a New Testament should be the first clue that something changed. When you have a New Will made, the Old Will is no longer in effect. Do you agree with that? What was in the Old Testament (a word which means Will in many languages) has been replaced by what is in the New Testament. This is the entire point of the apostle Paul’s writings which he received directly from Jesus. He is not doing this on his own. In Galatians 2 verse 4 Paul sternly criticized false brethren who asked Titus a Greek to be circumcised like the Jews. Paul states in verse 4, “And that because of false brethren unawares brought in , who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus that they might bring us into bondage.”
    Paul continues his stern rebuke to false brethren in verse 14, “why compellest thou the Gentiles to lives as do the Jews?” Are you not doing the same Joe? This is a clear statement from Paul that Christians are not going to be following Old Testament practices. Further in verse 16, “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by the faith of Jesus Christ even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and not by the works of the law for by the works of the law no flesh should be justified.”
    It can’t be any clearer than that. We are justified by faith in Christ and not the Old Testament law. Romans 7: 3″While her husband liveth (the Old Testament law) she be married to another man she will be called an adulteress but if her husband dies she is free from that law so that she is not an adulteress though she be married to another man. Verse 4 “Wherefore my brethren ye also become dead to the law by the body of Christ that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” Verse 6″But now we are delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held that we should serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.”
    This is the central theme of the New Testament and made clear by the Apostle Paul. The Old Covenant is done and replaced by a New Covenant which is outlined in the New Testament. The letter of the law has been replaced by the spirit of the law. The law is in our hearts and minds though the power of the Holy Spirit. If the Old Covenant was still in effect, there would be no New Testament. To repeat, New Testaments replace Old Testaments just like a new will replaces what was in an old will.

    • Joseph F. Dumond

      But you failed to answer even one of my questions I posted to you.

  7. Kurt MacPherson

    AMEN Joe, I have always thought that Theselonians was telling us that if we are children of light we can know at least reasonably close the time. And now through the passing of time and growth I can see that the barley and the moon together are in effect two witnesses to the timing of the Holy days. When you leave one or both out you may have a key but it is to the wrong door. Not the YESHUA door. And this is why ” one will be left and the other taken”. May we all be found worthy.
    Shabbat shalom

  8. Ross

    What an uplifting newsletter! Lovely!
    Shabbat Shalom, Joseph, Pauline, James, Matt Aike, Everyone!
    I am AWAKE! Thank you all for doing what you do!
    Thank you Yehovah! Praise and Glory to Your Blessed Name!

  9. Steven Smith

    Always grateful for the Sabbath.
    . The biggest witness we can give others is just to live and keep them properly in Agape’ Sometimes we do not see how others notice our actions. Want share a short story that happened recently where a couple Mormons were out and about my neighborhood. Most my neighbors know what my beliefs are as I am known around the local food bank and homeless shelter. Most my neighbors were almost running to get inside but i ran in to get few things together before they reached my home. They eventually made it to my door. As all my neighbors closed their doors and hide until they passed by. Thankfully I had just listened to a podcast James did and was able to use most of the best points he covered . One woman I sensed or could see her mind smoking from the things we talked about but the other ended up dragging her partner away. Think she sensed what I was and put a sharp abrupt end to our conversation. She was very polite about it all though but when they were leaving my neighbor across the street yelled out ” Think you knocked on the wrong door today didn’t you in a playful way lol. They haven’t come back to my neighborhood since but I find it interesting that my neighbor may have been listening and watching more than I thought so even the actions of keeping the Holy Days and such can influence those around us. Afterwards the lady across from me called me over to ask me to help her with a few things and I shared what I was talking with the Mormon team. So there were a couple opportunity to lay a few seeds
    Great article as always Mr. Dumond. Hope everyone has a great Sabbath rest this week
    Shabbat Shalom everyone

  10. Harold White

    Hi Joe,
    Since you said I did not answer one of your questions let me address them individually.
    “I have a few questions for you. You said you have read the New Testament for years. This is good. How many times have you read through the old testament? Be honest. How many times have you read it completely?”
    Too many times to count.
    To answer your question of me, I have a couple more questions to first ask you.
    “Why do you keep Sunday as your Day of rest? What scriptures do you use to support this?”
    All of Paul’s writings support keeping Sunday or any day as a day of rest. As Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians in Galatians 2:14 “why compel the Gentiles to live as Jews? A man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ and that no man shall be justified by the works of the law.”
    All of your law keeping will not justify you one iota before God. But a better verse is Matthew 16: 18 “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Verse 19 “I will give to you the keys to the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
    If normative Christianity wants to keep Sunday as its day of rest here is Jesus Christ GIVING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO.
    Edward talked of having the New Covenant Laws written on his heart. What are those laws? Where are they found? Scripture and verse. When were those laws ratified? That is when were they issued and then agreed to by the other party and written down and a covenant meal ate and blood shed to seal the deal?
    The laws which were given at Mount Sinai are now placed into our hearts. As in a will that has been changed, the former document is no longer binding. Try going to a lawyer or a court and try pleading that you want the first will enforced when there is a new will in effect. You will be thrown out of court and told that there is a new will in effect. Hence the NEW TESTAMENT or NEW WILL.
    Romans 7 clearly shows and I quoted it in my previous post that where we were once married to the law, the death of Christ made the old covenant now longer binding and we are now under the New Covenant. Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of Christ hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” IN Galatians 3:3 Paul sternly rebukes the Galatians for trying to make followers of Jesus return to Old Testament practices. Verse 3, “Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit are ye now made perfect in the flesh. Verse 7 “Know that ye therefore that they that are faith, the same are as the children of Abraham.”
    Verse 13 “CHRIST HATH REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.” Verse 19″Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME to who the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.: Verse 24 “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. But after that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.” Verse 28, “For there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
    You are ignoring the New Testment which replaces the Old Testament as a New Will replaces and Old Will. Please pray fervently that you can fully grasp the writings of the Apostle Paul who received them directly from Jesus Christ our saviour.
    Blessings in Christ,
    Harold White

    • Joseph F. Dumond

      WOW, this was very helpful. Thank you, Harold.
      You said the following and I quote “The laws which were given at Mount Sinai are now placed into our hearts. ”
      The question I was asking Edward and then you was what specifically were the laws that are written on our hearts? Where was this done and what scripture and verse? And now you have said the same laws as were given at Mount Sinai. So you are saying that the laws given at Mount Sinai will be the ones written on our hearts in the New Testament. Exodus 20:1
      I want to make sure I understand this correctly. Is that what you are saying?
      And thank you for your honesty in this discussion.

  11. David R Smith

    Greetings Jayson,
    Even in Hebrew culture a true statement is true.
    You wrote: “All this time, the son really knew if he was ready to receive his bride but would bestow this honor to his father. If the son was ready, the father would tell him go receive your bride.”
    IF HE WAS READY? All this time he though he was ready but only the Father knew if he really was ready. To dismiss truth by saying he “would bestow this honor to his father” makes a mockery of the father’s responsibility, his experience and wisdom at guiding his son and his authority for choosing the time.
    You wrote: “Yeshua absolutely knows the day and hour but has bestowed this honor to His Father.”
    Sorry to be blunt but you just called Yeshua a liar. Yeshua also said, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority” (Act 1:7).
    David Smith

  12. Harold White

    Hi Joe,
    I shall gladly answer your question on what law is written in our hearts and my prayer is that you will come to know the truth of the New Covenant and the Spirit of Grace which is the cornerstone of Normative Christianity. I did not make myself clear on the law in our hearts and no, it is not the law of Mr.Sinai but rather the law of love given to all who accept Christ as their saviour and are filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. The Apostle Paul’s whole message was that the law of the Mount Sinai has been replaced by the law of love, the spirit of Christ which now abides in us.
    Galatians 3:13 “Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us. Verse 19 “What therefore serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions till the seed should come to whom the promise was made. Verse 23 “Before faith came we were kept under the law shut up unto the faith which should be revealed. verse 24 “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ that WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH”. verse 25, “after faith is come we ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.” Galatians 5:1 “Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of BONDAGE”. Verse 4 “Christ is become of NO EFFECT is you think you are justified by the law, YOU ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.”
    I pray fervently Joe that you will come to understand the spirit of Grace and the New Covenant which has replaced the Old Covenant. The apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear and I hope the Holy Spirit will help you see the truth of the New Covenant and the true meaning of Christ’s sacrifice. The Law of Sinai was a SCHOOLMASTER that has been REPLACED BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. Hallelujah and Praise Jesus!!
    Blessings in Christ,
    Harold White

    • Joseph F. Dumond

      John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
      1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
      You see Harold I do not have to argue with you. The New Testament proves you are misled. That you have fallen for the lie Satan has used to deceive the whole world.
      You said the Law of Love has replaced the old testament law. That is not true.. The Law of Love was and is and always will be the Ten Commandments and include the keeping of the Sabbath and Holy Days and Sabbatical years. It is the 4th commandment that most Christians reject keeping and try to find any sort of reason to do so, even the twisting of the scriptures of Paul as Peter warned us they would.

  13. Harold White

    Hi Joe,
    I see you completely ignored the scriptures in Romans, Galatians and Hebrews that I cited. Christianity spread to the Gentiles because the Old Covenant was shown to be ended at the cross and that God was now working through His New Covenant of Grace and the Spirit of Love put in our hearts by Jesus. You on the other hand are mired in the Old Testament and don’t even realize the significance of what a New Testament is and that it replaces an Old Testament just like a revised Will replaces an Old Will. You are in the position of trying to uphold and Old Will in a court of law. The judge will tell you that the New Will takes over and nullifies the Old Will as Paul clearly shows in ROmans 7 and YOU IGNORE. The commandment Jesus asked us to keep was this: John 13:34 “A NEW COMMANDMENT I HAVE GIVEN YOU, TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.” The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant and Jesus gave us a new Commandment.
    This is why Christianity spread and continues to spread around the world. The real gospel not your return to the letter of the law which Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians for. China now has an estimated 135 million Christians in Normative Christianity not the letter of the law Old Covenant but the New COvenant of grace and the Spirit of God in our hearts. You should put yourself to the test and arrange a Utube debate with an evangelical Christian apologist on the Letter of the Law, Old Covenant versus the Spirit of the Law, New Covenant. I have several apologists in mind. Then viewers can decide for themselves who understands his scriptures.
    Praying fervently that you will come to see the truth of the New Covenant, the SPirit of Grace and the love of Christ in our hearts which is the central message of the NEW TESTAMENT.
    Blessings in Christ our Saviour and giver of Grace,
    Harold White

  14. Jan

    How does one determine what love is?
    QUESTION 1: A Father has two sons. He is a very good and loving father and he has rules for his household. He has taught both sons (1) don’t cross the street without looking both ways (2) Don’t be a bully (3) Treat others kindly (4) No parties while we’re gone (5) Don’t steal (6) No foul language (7) No sex outside of marriage (8) treat us / your parents with respect as you want to be treated (8) show respect for your elders by coming to the family reunions once a year (9) Don’t murder anyone (10) Reading books is required in order to play ‘x’ amount of video games. I’ll stop at 10 laws / rulings, but I’m quite sure this family and your family too have far more than 10 rules in your household that you follow.
    The first son loves his Father and Mother and respects them both and wants to emulate his Father and so he is obedient in these rulings because he want to grow up and be like him. He loves the marriage his parents have and wants this and children for himself. He studies hard, follows the rules, and probably learns a lot of good life lessons along the way.
    The second son despises all these rules. He understands not to murder, but he pushes with all he can. He has turned to alcohol, smoking, skips school, swears at his parents, and he even is a bully by making fun of others, especially his brother and others too. He is not a son you are proud of and you son makes it known he has no respect for you. In fact, his actions show his love and respect. He frequently tries to get what he wants by saying “I love you Mom” or “Dad, you’re the greatest” before asking for more money or the car, etc. What shows his love and respect? His words or his actions?
    Which SON loves His Father?
    Does the son show love and respect by keeping all the rulings to please his Father?
    Suppose the second son kept half of the rulings and not the other half. Which half are okay to skip? Who determines…other than the Father…..which half aren’t needed? Will the Father now be VERY pleased with the second son because, well, he at least does half of what I ask him to. Which half of the above aren’t for the son’s own good?
    Would it be prudent to ask why “x” law has to be followed? Or should they just determine in their own eyes that it makes no sense and I’m going to be rebellious without trying to understand the reason for the law.

    • Harold White

      Sorry but my message keeps getting entered and I don’t know if it was posted. In any case, bear with me. The point of the New Covenant is that by the Grace of God we are infused with the Holy Spirit and God’s love through Christ allows us to live our lives showing love for the Father/Abba. This is the Spirit of the law rather than the letter of the Law. The New Covenant replaces the legalistic rules of the Old Covenant with the love of Christ in our hearts. The New Covenant forgives, the Old Covenant punishes. When you have love for your father as in your example, you don’t want to hurt him because of your love for him. Goes for mothers as well!:) Yes you will slip and never love perfectly but a good parent forgives a child and we as children of God are forgiven when we slip in our love. The Old Covenant and its harsh punishments is alive and well with groups like ISIS and the Taliban who do not understand what forgiveness and love are. Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind….

  15. Jan

    Someone from ancient times comes into our lives today. I have to go back to ancient times due to the Internet, lol. So a college professor and author from ancient China comes over to visit you today. You take him to a Broadway play and you wish your other friend to “Break a Leg” before going on stage.
    This Chinese college professor is quite perplexed. This is supposed to be a friend and yet you are hoping he breaks his leg and therefore loses his job and income, etc. But this isn’t the only disturbing event. He has also heard people say this:
    Back to the drawing board
    Ball is in your court
    Barking up the wrong tree
    Beat around the bush
    Bite off more than you can chew
    Costs an arm and a leg
    Cross that bridge when you come to it
    Hit the nail on the head
    Elvis is in the building
    Hit the sack
    Take it with a grain of salt
    Fence sitter
    Speak of the Devil
    He doesn’t ask him to explain. Maybe due to pride or maybe he thinks this guy is crazy.
    He then goes back home and starts teaching his college students and writing books all about America. He has formed his own opinions on everything he has heard and seen and is teaching “truth” as his own eyes have seen and his ears have heard.
    Problem is….Is it true?
    He has no knowledge of American culture, the age we are living in, nor the language…it’s slang and idioms. He barely learned formal English.
    Now, the question here is since the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and there is a lot proof that most of the New Testament was also written in Hebrew before being translated to Greek, do you think it is possible that people who only know English, the American culture, and lives in present age has a thorough understanding of Hebraic culture, language, and idioms?
    How many Pastors learn Hebrew in school? How many truly know the culture of 2,000 years ago and 7,000 years ago. How many know Hebraic idioms. What about you? There are a LOT of idioms in the New Testament and this causes a great deal of confusion by those not schooled in Hebrew. How many no that?

    • Harold White

      Good point and it is my point as well! You are incorrect in that the New Testament was written in Hebrew and translated into Greek. The book of John for example is pure Greek though and not Hebraic! The logos is a Greek concept through and through. Further, Gentiles would have referred to the Septuagint which is the Greek translation of the Old Testament. In fact, I have been told by Greek experts that the New Testament writers actually use the Septuagint in their Old Testament quotes and NOT the Hebrew bible! Many Rabbis have pointed this out. Rabbi Singer is a god example of someone who knows the Hebrew of the Hebrew Bible and clearly points out that the New Testament writers were not familiar with the Hebrew bible but rather the Septuagint. There are clearly New Testament scholars who read the Greek and do not come to your or Joe’s conclusions. Do you read Greek and does Joe read Greek? J

  16. Jan

    Do you know there are two kinds of laws that Paul teaches about? The oral law and the written law.
    The Oral Law is the Talmud and consists of the writings and traditions of man.
    The written Law is the Word of God given to Moshe to record.
    Both are translated as “law” in the New Testament.
    HOW do you determine which he is talking about?
    Do you think it is possible for someone who has no training in Hebrew or Hebraic culture to determine which is being taught?
    This is kind of important since everything Jesus/Yeshua condemns comes from the Oral Law, the traditions of man, also called “Traditions of the Elders”.

    • Harold White

      Paul disposes of both actually! Again, New Testament scholars who read Greek have not come to the conclusion that Paul was only talking about Oral Laws. By the way I am very familiar with the Oral Laws, the Talmud, etc. Paul’s central message is that we are flawed beings who cannot keep ritualistic laws and ordinances but what is required of us is the acceptance of Jesus Christ as our saviour so that the love of God, infused in us by the power of the Holy Spirit will allow us to live godly lives through the spirit of Grace. Paul makes no distinction because there is no distinction necessary.

  17. Harold White

    Hi Jan,
    You are incorrect in stating that the New Testament was translated into Hebrew from the Greek. The writers thought in Greek and wrote in Greek. Further, are you aware there is a Greek translation of the Old Testament known as the Septuagint and it is this version of the Old Testament that the early Gentile converts to Christianity used since they spoke Greek and not Hebrew. Paul makes it very plain in Romans 7 that the law and he makes no distinction between oral and written was nailed to the cross and that a new marriage covenant took place. He sternly rebukes the Galatians for trying to make Gentile converts obey Jewish practices and not understanding the meaning of the death of Christ, the spirit of Grace and the New Covenant. In fact this is the major theme of ALL of Paul’s writings. The church Joe used to belong to, the Worldwide Church of God finally, after the death of their founder, Herbert Armstrong, realized what the New Covenant was and what the spirit of Grace is. They abandoned their erroneous teachings and are now known as Grace Communion International. I pray fervently that Joe and those who read this sight come to this understanding.
    Blessings in Christ,
    Harold White

  18. Jan

    Harold White. I have sent 3 posts that I hope you have read. It is very difficult to provide short answers to explain everything you are asking. So much background is likewise needed. I posted the above just to get you thinking about “the law” and to become aware of “law” can mean the “law” of Moses OR it can mean the traditions of men. WHICH was Paul talking about? I know. Do you? Do you know Hebrew and Hebrew culture? I am now going to send a series trying to provide more insight into the specific questions you are asking. Joe isn’t necessarily ignoring you. He is very busy with a thousand things on his plate.
    Joh 13:34  A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 
    Joh 13:35  By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. 
    Let’s look:
    Deuteronomy_6:5 And you shall love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
    Leviticus_19:18 You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am Jehovah.
    Mark 12:30-31 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.” This is the first commandment. And the second is like this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.
    Mat_5:43  You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.”
    Mat_19:19  honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
    Matthew 5:43 is indicating “You have heard that it was said”…..PAST TENSE…..YES….they heard it from their knowledge of the Torah. REMEMBER….THIS is a JEWISH book written by JEWS for JEWS. I’m intentionally saying Jewish, but actually Hebrew is the more correct term. Jesus was a descendant of Judah. The disciples were all from Judah or Levi or Benjamin. Paul was a descendant of Benjamin. Jesus talked to the “Jews of Judah” that were in Israel at that time. They were sent to their “brothers” “The House of Israel” that was in dispersion. The Torah is NOT new to them. This too is another lesson.
    PAUL says this of himself:
    2Cor 11:22  Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I. 
    Rom 11:1  I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 
    Going back to Lev 19:18, This was NOT a new commandment. He was repeating it. He was RENEWING it in their mind. It is yet another translation error. NOTICE the context in which Jesus says this. It is during the last supper and he knows THEIR FELLOW MEN are going to KILL HIM! He does not want them to hate or try to revenge His death. Jesus also knows people are going to start “taking sides” rising up. In fact, the Pharisees want to start rounding up all those thousands that were following Jesus to squelch His teachings. Many will fall back in line with their synagogue and others will choose to flee. SAME THING is rising up in nations across the world today!
    Leviticus_19:18 You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am Jehovah.
    All the teachings / rulings / law make up the Torah and they are well known at that time and still today to be summarized into 10 rulings. The 10 commandments as they are known in English translations. REMEMBER, the Scriptures in total were NOT written in English!!!!
    Those 10 are further summarized as two. See Mark 12:30-31 mentioned above. This is NOT NEW. This is well known in Hebraic literature and the Talmudic writings before Jesus was born. NOTHING NEW in the understanding that we are to love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves.
    Then those two can even be further summarized as one:
    Gal_5:14  For all the Law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
    This DOES NOT MEAN the one statement summary replaces everything behind it.
    Matthew 22:40  “On these two commands hang all the Torah and the Prophets.”
    One summary statement that is really two and those two can be broken down into the 10 with 5 on each side. Five concerning how to relate to God and the other five on how to relate to man. Then the rest of the Torah explains what the details are for those 10. I’ll explain that in another post.
    NOW…why does he say A NEW COMMAND?
    That is because the word NEW or RENEWED comes from the same word and it all depends on whether it is indeed the FIRST occurrence or a subsequence occurrence. Strong’s is not always trustworthy. It identifies the greek word as being uncertain. So they use “new”. But is it new? We clearly see it mentioned in the OT. You can not deny that.
    Let’s look at another example. We have ONE covenant made with Abraham and it is RENEWED with Isaac, Jacob, and at Mt. Sinai with Moses. Then we see Jesus creating the New covenant. New? or Renewed?
    Let’s look at the book of Matthew from the Hebrew Matthew version.

    • Harold White

      I would refer you to Romans 7 where Paul clearly states that at Christ’s death, an Old Covenant was dissolved and a New Covenant began. This New Covenant is the Spirit of Grace, the ending of the ritualistic practices of the Old Covenant and the infusion of the Holy Spirit into our hearts. What you have to ask yourself is this. Why would Gentiles convert to Christianity if Christianity in its early formation was nothing other that a call to follow the Hebrew Bible? If this was what Christianity offered as a message you can be sure there would have been no Christian church merely a sect of Judaism of which there were many. This is a critical point you overlook and Joe has overlooked or refuses to see. Christianity grew and flourished and flourishes today because its message is simple and not legalistic. Repent, accept Christ as your saviour and receive the Holy Spirit. It was not check to see when the barley ripens, when the moon appears, etc…

  19. Jan

    Harold White… mentioned The Curse of the Law and The Law of Sin and Death. Please read.
    What is that? It is another idiom.
    The Law of Sin and Death
    This is another idiom as well.
    Please look at Scripture. This is the rulings from Yehovah our God to Moses to record:
    Exo_21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
    Exo_21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
    Exo_21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
    Exo_21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
    Do these laws seem familiar? Do we not see laws against murder and trafficking in our present laws? They originally came from Torah….the MOUTH of God.
    NOTICE this last one in particular. How many teenagers today would be put to death for cursing their parents?
    Are these not the very 10 commandments? Thou shalt not steal, kill, and honor your mother and father?
    These are some, but not all of the rulings that require the death penalty.
    When Jesus / Yeshua came, he brought us the ability to have our sins forgiven as long as we repent and “sin no more”. He brought the ability to be forgiven for these sins! We still pay a penalty (jail time or fine), but it isn’t CERTAIN DEATH by STONING.
    THIS THIS THIS is what Paul means when he says those statements that many Christians quote.
    THIS is the “Law of sin and death” and “The Curse of the Law”.
    It refers to the great gift that Yehsua took these and other sins upon HIMSELF and died in our stead. BUT, it requires true repentance and “sin no more”. You can ‘t be forgiven for cursing your parents and then go out and do it again and again. This brings US another chance. He brought FORGIVENESS and REPENTANCE to return to HIS teachings and rulings so we could draw near to Him. When the Torah was given…as you can see….they were STONED to death for violation. The purpose was to TEACH THEM that they can not live by laws alone. Mercy, Love, Repentance all need to be taken into account. But that doesn’t mean love and mercy replaces and eliminates these LAWS!
    As I asked in earlier post….do you have laws for your children? Do we have laws in this nation?
    SO….the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH was an IDIOM well known and used by the Jews because it meant you sinned (depending on the sin) you died by stoning. It was the LAW. It DID NOT apply to the ENTIRE LAW. It meant for those sins…you received the death penalty. SOMEONE HAD TO SHED BLOOD and DIE to COVER THAT SIN….that sin is that grave to God. So you sinned…your blood shed.
    Praise Yah, that Yeshua / Jesus came to take THOSE SINS and ALL SINS upon himself and shed HIS BLOOD to COVER US and give us the chance to repent and turn back to Him and HIS ways.
    2Ti_3:7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
    Heb_10:26  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    Jesus is not to be crucified over and over.
    First, try to understand something else in this passage. At the time of Yeshua, the land was inhabited by the tribe of Judah and Benjamin and some of Levi. It was not all 12 tribes. This is where we get the term “Jews”. The Torah had become nothing more than laws to DO and “salvation” was based solely on how many of these can I accumulate and how “perfect” can I be at it. This is what “The Law on stone” did. It was not on their hearts to bring and encourage Love of God. It turned into nothing more then “dead laws” to try to earn salvation from. The same is true today in many synagogues. I attended Synagogue myself when I first started learning Torah. It is all about DOING these laws to “add to their quota” to “ensure salvation”… so to speak. The focus is on accumulating “good works”, which is by definition, the rulings of Torah. “Good works” is a direct reference and well known idiom for doing the rulings of Torah.
    The law is followed out of tradition while at the same time many of those same people will say they do not EVEN believe He exists. YES….it had become all about performing the law to justify themselves and ELOHIM doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with it anymore. Again, you see this same thing today in Israel. The vast majority of the Jews identify themselves as “Non religious”. WOW!!! AND YET….They keep the Sabbath and the Holy days and all the Torah as they understand it. They still see the keeping of the laws and being DNA jewish as their salvation. Love and FAITH in God is absent from the majority.
    Jesus TOO saw this back in His day and came to teach them that LAWS alone is not enough. LAWS alone do not cause you to LOVE HIM and LOVE each other.
    THIS is what Paul is addressing when you see the term “works of the law”. He is NOT condemning keeping the Law. He is condemning the thought that laws alone CAN JUSTIFY YOUR SALVATION!!!!
    Gal 3:10 For as many AS ARE WORKS of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.”
    (DO YOU SEE THIS NOW? The subject is using the WORKS to justify themselves. The Torah says you must keep ALL the laws else they receive the curse of the Torah. The intent is to show that you can’t keep all the laws. ONLY Jesus was perfect in keeping all of them.) He is NOT calling the entirety of the laws A CURSE. He is calling their “Doings” as justification for salvation a curse.
    Gal 3:11 And that no one is declared right by Torah before Elohim is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief.”
    (I told you earlier that many people keep the laws of Torah and yet do NOT believe He exists…they are NON religious and openly say they don’t believe in Him. YET they do the laws. This is what he is condemning….the works of the law to justify yourself. )
    Gal 3:12 And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them.”
    (The TORAH requires faith and belief that HE EXISTS and that you do these laws and are obedient out of LOVE)
    Gal 3:13 Messiah redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE TORAH, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.”
    (The curse of the Torah… curse your parents you are stoned to death. You murder…you are stoned. That’s it…No mercy or favor. He is NOT calling the Torah a curse. The curse is simply the law that says you curse your parents you are stoned to death. THAT IS THE CURSE OF THE LAW.)
    Gal 3:14 in order that the blessing of A?raham might come upon the nations in Messiah ?????, to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief.
    (BELIEF comes from the Hebrew word of SHEMA to HEAR AND OBEY and to then put your HEARING and BELIEF…FAITH into obedience. To walk it out in what you do and say. To have it written on our hearts that we are obedient because we LOVE HIM. JUST AS YOUR OWN SON LOVES and respects you as a Father and he shows this by being obedient to the laws you have and your country has. He doesn’t steal, murder, incest, adultery and He loves God in this same manner. He shows you love and respect by not rebelling against you and the same is true with God. THERE IS NO SUCH THING as MENTAL BELIEF. This is Greek thinking. Hebrew is all about the physical and NOT the mental. BELIEF means HEARING and OBEYING and therefore DOING. There is no such thing as mentally believing in God without the HEARING AND DOING to back it up. REMEMBER…THIS IS A HEBREW BOOK written by Hebrews to Hebrews for Hebrews. That means it is for those who CROSS OVER. NOT GREEKS with a mental only mindset who refuse to understand the very book and language upon which it is written. The English translation do NOT convey the same understanding. MENTAL BELIEF and MENTAL FAITH does NOT EXIST in HEBREW thought. Therefore, the Mind of Messiah / Christ ….this does NOT exist.
    LAW OF SIN AND DEATH / Law means Torah in Hebrew so “Torah of Sin and Death”
    Rom 8:1 There is, then, now no condemnation to those who are in Messiah ?????, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
    Rom 8:2 For the torah of the Spirit of the life in Messiah ????? has set me free from the torah of sin and of death.
    Rom 8:3 For the Torah being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, Elohim, having sent His own Son in the likeness of flesh of sin, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,
    Rom 8:4 so that the righteousness of the Torah should be completed in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
    Paul is talking about the works of the flesh! Adultery, Lusting after what your neighbor has, you go fishing or to a ballgame on Sabbath, etc. You are to rely on the Torah and the Holy Spirit to guide you on a narrow path and not let “the flesh” “rule your body”.
    You prefer to go fishing or to a Ballgame instead of devoting this day to Yehovah. You clean the garage on Sabbath. You go out to eat on Sabbath and let them work and serve you.
    Exo_31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
    Lev_20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
    THESE are examples of “The Law of Sin and Death” and “The Curse of the Law”.
    You do those sins…you die without mercy.

    • Harold White

      This is a Hebrew Book for Hebrews. Are you referring to the whole Bible or merely what Christians call the Old Testament? The New Testament is written in Greek and is Greek in its thought process. Orthodox Jews refer to what Christians call the Old Testament as the Hebrew Bible and recognize that the New Testament is not a Hebraic work but a Greek work in its language and thought. This is the revolutionary aspect of Christianity that it became a universal religion not by asking its followers to follow Hebrew rituals and practices but rather a simple formula for attaining salvation. Acceptance of Christ as your saviour, repentence of your sins and the infusion of the Holy Spirit. Jews are well aware that Christianity is different from their beliefs and do not consider the New Testament a continuation of the Old Testament. The New Testament under the New Covenant made Christianity a universal religion and not merely a Jewish religion. Praise Jesus!

  20. Harold White

    Hi Jan,
    You have to realize the audience Paul was writing for. It is not Jews but Gentiles. Gentiles were being told that the Jewish law as in the Old Covenant at Mt.Sinai was being replaced by a New Covenant and that they as Gentiles were not expected to be observing any Old Testament ordinances. The oral law meant nothing to the Gentiles, only the Jews. Paul was talking about the laws of the Old Testament. Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians for their attempt to make Gentile converts follow the Old Testament laws. Further, Hebrew was not the vernacular of the times of Christ. Greek was the lingua franca of the Empire and in Palestine, even Jesus spoke in Aramaic and not Hebrew. The Old Testament that the writers of the New Testament used was the Septuagint which was the Greek translation not the Hebrew original. As I have pointed out to Joe, when a New Testament is written, the Old Testament is nullified. You can argue all you want in a court of law to uphold an Old Testament/Will and the judge/God will tell you the New Testament is in effect. This is why the Gentiles converted to Christianity and continue to do so today.
    Praying you and the readers of this site will come to understand the Spirit of Grace and glory of the New Covenant.
    Blessings in Christ,
    Harold White

  21. Jan

    This is KJV ….notice the word iniquity
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    This is TS2009 version of The Scriptures.
    Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’c Psa_6:8. Footnote: cSee Mat_7:15, and also Mat_13:41-42.
    Mat 13:41 “The Son of A?am shall send out His messengers, and they shall gather out of His reign all the stumbling-blocks,f and those doing lawlessness,g Zep_1:3. Footnotes: fOr all the causes of sinning/offence. gThe Darnel of Mat_13:25.
    The word iniquity is the Greek word “Anomia” from Strong’s G458
    It means “violation of the law” or “transgression of the law”
    So in this verse Yeshua is really saying, “depart from me, you that violate or transgress the law”
    Do you really think he is saying Love and excluding ALL ELSE?
    HOW does your son show love and respect to you?
    HOW do YOU dare condemn someone who is of the LGBTQ community. You have NO basis to condemn. There is no law BUT LOVE. So….just love them.
    HOW do YOU dare condemn a murderer or a pedophile? You have NO LAW to base this on.
    The 10 commandments IS THE LAW!!!!! AND IT COMES FROM THE OT!!!!
    NOW…There is NO OT and NT.
    There is ONE covenant from Sinai and that covenant extends to ALL the SEED (Descendants) of those standing there that day. THat is YOU and ME. You are the House of Israel and you don’t know it yet. Furthermore, EVEN if you are not a descendant, Paul explains in Romans that if you align yourself with the covenant, then you are adopted into Israel (just like the sons of Joseph were adopted by Jacob) and you become Israel. THERE YOU HAVE IT….YOU ARE ISRAEL if you are obedient to the covenant.
    You have no place in the Abrahamic Covenant nor the Mosaic Covenant if you don’t JOIN into the covenant and accept the terms. The terms are “Do this” and “I’ll be you covenant God”.
    If you DO NOT accept the terms of covenant, then you die without mercy.
    Rom_8:13  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
    THE SPIRIT leads you into the TRUTH and TRUTH is a person. He is the LIVING TORAH that showed us how to walk in His ways.
    Jesus and all the disciples AND PAUL kept EVERY SINGLE LAW!!!! I sent you a list on another post of various places indicating this in Scripture. There are many more.
    Released from the Law
    Rom 7:1  Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 
    Rom 7:2  For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 
    Rom 7:3  So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 
    (This passage actually goes FAR deeper then you can understand at this point. The House of Israel (10 sons) and ALL their descendants were DIVORCED from the covenant. GOD divorced them!!! They now reap the curse of death!!!!! NO MERCY! But it is telling us if our husband dies, then we can remarry. So Jesus died….our former husband died….so now we can remarry….and since HE AROSE from the dead….HE HIMSELF can remarry us when we choose to come back into covenant.)
    Rom 7:4  Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 
    Rom 7:5  For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 
    Rom 7:6  But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 
    (we are delivered from the law of SIN AND DEATH….the curse of the law. Now we have the Holy Spirit in us to help guide us into Truth and teach us His laws so we do them out of LOVE and RESPECT for Him.)
    NOTICE THIS NOW>>>>>>>
    The Law and Sin
    Rom 7:7  What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 
    Rom 7:8  But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 
    Rom 7:9  For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 
    Paul is telling you (and in other places) that he lusts just as we all do. Men do lust after women. Jesus said the mere thought is adultery. MANY men play this out as well as women. Adultery is rampant today. Stealing is rampant. Society is hurting badly due to “NO LAWS” and no accountibility to those laws. He is also referring to the continual battle in our minds between OUR WANTS and DESIRES and what WE KNOW to do. The mind vs the heart. You think Paul didn’t at times just want to give up? Oh the battles he had to have fought in his mind to just walk away from all this hardship he was enduring. BUT THE HEART told him to keep going, keep teaching, do the task ahead… the prize Jesus called him for. We NEED the Holy Spirit to help guide us and give us strength. You already know this. THIS Is what Paul is talking about. The law reveals to his heart that he still sins. Even Jesus said EVERYONE SINNED but him. ALL MEN SIN…..we just can’t help ourselves. All we can do is do the best we can to be obedient, learning more and more everyday. The battle of the mind Paul is fighting against is to just give up! Our flesh wants to give up especially under persecution. WE REPENT with all our heart. We NOW have the MERCY upon us to allow REPENTANCE and return to HIs ways. HE DIED to cover over those sins. Look back over David’s life. He was under lots of persecution and his Psalms poor out his heart….ready to give up….then he finds strength in God and finishes each Psalm with praising him.
    Rom 7:10  And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 
    Rom 7:11  For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 
    Rom 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 
    Rom 7:13  Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 
    SEE THIS……
    Rom 7:14  For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 
    Rom 7:15  For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 
    Rom 7:16  If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 
    Rom 7:17  Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 
    Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 
    Rom 7:19  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 
    Rom 7:20  Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 
    Rom 7:21  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 
    KEEP READING FOR UNDERSTANDING….Paul was talking about all the struggles to “be righteous and obedient” but he too suffers and can’t be as obedient as he dearly strives for…..
    Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:  <—–HE STILL DELIGHTS IN THE LAW!!!!! IT IS NOT DONE AWAY WITH
    Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 
    (Just as you really want to go fishing with other friends on Sabbath……or go out to eat with them…..or lust after your neighbor's new home and car and RV…)
    Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 
    Rom 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. 
    BUT HIS FLESH….he still struggles. This is a continual battle of what WE WANT TO DO vs What we know we should do.
    THIS IS WHAT Paul is talking about in this entire chapter.
    The battle of the mind to follow after GOD and NOT our own lusts and desires.
    THIS is why it is called a NARROW PATH and FEW will choose it.

    • Harold White

      Galatians 2 and 3 sum it all up beautifully. Galatians 2:16 “knowing that a man is not justified by the WORKS OF THE LAW but by what, what justifies a person??
      “by the FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, even that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and NOT THE WORKS OF THE LAW!!
      Verse 21 Do not frustrate the GRACE OF GOD for if righteousness comes from the law the CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN.”
      Chapter 3 :1 “O foolish Galatians! Are ye so foolish that having begun in THE SPIRIT are ye now made PERFECT BY THE FLESH?”
      Verse 11 “No man is justified by the law in the sight of God, the law is not faith, Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law (your spin is a good effort but incorrect on what the curse of the law was.) The curse of the law was human inability, without Jesus Christ as their saviour and the Holy Spirit guiding them to ever keep the legalism of the Old Testament.
      Here is the most important verse in maybe the entire New Testament…..Galatians 3:24 “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH!” After faith comes we ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOlMASTER” Ye are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ. Not children of God by watching for barley to ripen, moons to appear, festivals to keep but by faith in Jesus Christ that he died for our sins, that upon repentance we are forgiven by Grace and then receive the Holy Spirit of love to serve God and mankind. This was the beautiful message that converted Gentiles by the millions. You nullify the death of Christ by returning to the Old Covenant and the letter of the law. We are in the Spirit and age of Grace and praise Jesus our saviour for that sublime truth!!

  22. Harold White

    In Acts 15 a sect of believers who were also Pharisees said that the Gentile converts had to be circumcized and follow the Law of Moses, ie, the laws of Leviticus. Peter rose up and stated, “why put a yoke on the Gentile disciples that neither we nor our fathers were able to bear. But we believe that through the grace of Jesus Christ we shall be saved.”
    Stop trying to put a yoke on the followers of Jesus Christ and accept that we are saved by Grace and not by adherence to the Laws of Leviticus. The Old Covenant died and we are married to Christ and the New Covenant.
    Praise Jesus our Saviour,
    Harold T. White

  23. Jan

    Most of us were exactly where you are Harold White. We thought the law was a bunch of laws about sacrificing animals and that is done away with due to Yeshua being the final sin offering. Let me show you what the law really is.
    The “Law” is the English translation of the Hebrew word “Torah” and it refers to the 1st five books of Scripture. It was the voice of Elohim for Moshe to record. It came straight from Elohim and we STILL have ONE version of those Scriptures. NOT a revision written by 500 different people, but ONE version. Furthermore, it is in the ORIGINAL Hebrew language.
    There is ONE covenant. The front of the book is called the Tanach (The Torah, Prophets, and other writings).
    The back half is called The RENEWED Covenant. He took the same covenant and wrote it on our hearts. That is EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. HE WROTE THE LAW on our hearts. STOP reading in something it doesn’t say. NO WHERE DOES YESHUA SAY I am replacing the law with just love and furthermore nowhere does he tell us how to determine what LOVE means without the law to go by. Furthermore, Yeshua, Paul, and ALL the disciples continued to keep every single law. You can NOT have “NEW” if it already existed. THEN it is RENEWED. LOVE is NOT a NEW TESTAMENT concept either. The entire Tanach is filled with the LOVE He had for His creation and His people. The whole Tanach is A LOVE STORY!!!! on HOW to draw near to Him and have Him be OUR GOD and protector.
    We begin with Elohim creating Adam and Eve and when sin came in, Elohim killed a lamb (or two) to provide skin covering to them. What we see is that an innocent, blameless animal had to be killed, his blood poured out, to cover the sin. This is ultimately seen in Yeshua having to die for our sins with His blood. THAT IS GRACE….better translated as FAVOR poured out by Elohim on His people. We see this again at Mt. Sinai with the golden calf. Elohim wanted to wipe them off the planet, but Moshe’ prayers brought about the FAVOR of Elohim on His people to “continue to work with them and teach them”. To give them a 2nd chance. NOW, if you actually read the OT, you will see MANY such examples of FAVOR poured out on His people. IT IS NOT a NT concept presented for the first time.
    What exactly are the LAWS that are so evil and burdensome? Let’s take a closer look. This is what blew me away. I NEVER knew this. I NEVER heard this in church before.
    The Laws begin in Exodus 20. The people are standing at Mt. Sinai and they asked for Elohim to tell Moshe and then let Moshe tell them. So Moshe begins to speak the works of Elohim. They are the 10 commandments. This word in Hebrew actually refers to “rulings”.
    I don’t need to repeat the 10 commandments / rulings to you, because they are in your churches and you KNOW THEM. Tell me, Harold, are they done away with?
    The remainder of Exodus then explains in detail what these summarized 10 rulings mean. Let me show you a few examples.
    It explains what it means and what the judgement is with premediated murder.
    It explains what to do regarding the accidental death of another human.
    It explains what to do regarding the accidental death of another person’s animals….their cows for example….THIS is their livelihood. Such as Farmer’s today.
    It explains that “cities of refuge” should be set up to “house” a person until a trial and judgement is determined (guilty or innocent). Elohim tells them to do this to prevent angry family/friends from inflicting their own judgment upon him before a proper trial with witnesses are heard.
    MUCH misunderstanding has come from Christians thinking the word is indeed KILL, but it is NOT. The Hebrew word is actually MURDER. This is why capital punishment is indeed allowed in Scripture. According to Christian thinking, Yeshua’ Father…in the OT….is an evil Elohim because of the “killing” he ordered. Abraham is evil to for killing people. That is SO WRONG. Evil has to be put down. That DOES NOT mean a murderer can not truly repent at some point in time, but the PENALTY still stands. The physical penalty of capital punishment, but salvation of his soul if he truly repented. Only Elohim knows if he truly repented and “turned around”. Many times penalty and salvation are confused.
    THOU SHALT NOT Commit Adultery
    It explains exactly what adultery is.
    It explains a man shouldn’t sleep with another man’s wife.
    Or with that wife’s sister or Mother.
    There are many laws / rulings that continue to explain
    Not sleeping with an animal
    Not sleeping with your son or daughter
    Please read Lev 20 to see more of these explained.
    You see….God explains exactly what adultery and sexual sins are when you read His law / His Torah.
    I don’t have room to go on and on with all of them, but I could if you want to know more. OR you could actually read them for yourself.
    I HOPE you can see these laws in our society today. The USA constitution was FULLY based on these laws you say are a burden. Yes, MAN has enacted many more laws and they are getting worse by the day. But, clearly you should be able to see the justice system in these laws. THEY ALL CAME from the Torah!!!!
    What happens to our society if we get rid of all these laws? Do you see yet the double standard when YOU uphold these societal laws and yet at the same time you call them a burden and done away with? Our constitutional laws and state laws are fully based on Torah!!!!
    I do hope you will read. I won’t PRAY you read them….because you have a hardened heart and until you PRAY TO ELOHIM for an open heart, open ears, and open eyes to KNOW ONLY TRUTH, you will remain blind and ignorant. This is what God is waiting for. For you to turn to HIM instead of your Pastors for teaching. HE wants the Holy Spirit to be your teacher. NOT MAN.
    Please do not be angry….WE WERE ALL in your shoes until WE searched it out for ourselves and stopped following man. FOLLOW ELOHIM!
    Many think THE LAW is simply all the sacrificial laws of killing animals for no reason.
    Do you know WHY Elohim enacted these sacrifices?
    It was so YOU could draw NEAR to HIM without spontaneous combustion of YOU!
    This is why Adam and Eve had skins for covering…shed blood of an innocent animal God killed to PRESERVE THEIR LIFE. To COVER OVER their sin. The penalty was expulsion from the garden and His presence….BUT…..they LIVED to talk about it.
    This ultimately ended with Yeshua being “The lamb of Elohim”. PRIOR to that….they HAD to rely on killing the animals to cover their sin.
    ELOHIM allowed this to show them FAVOR!!!!
    This is how He was able to come and reside in the Temple for them to draw near to!
    What are the sacrifices and offerings?
    Do you realize they do not all include animals?
    Do you realize when you bring food for a food pantry that is a type of offering that has it’s origin on bringing grain offerings?
    You really should google the offerings or Levitical offerings and try to find one without Christian definitions since they lack knowledge of Hebrew, the Torah, and most importantly, a lack of knowledge of the Tanach.
    READ teachings from SIGHTEDMOON.COM to learn more.
    (5) I will touch on ONE more LAW and that is
    You no doubt believe, as we all did, that Yeshua was resurrected on Sunday and therefore, Roman Emperor Constantine and his Popes had the right to change Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
    You really need to study this death / resurrection story for the truth. READ the book of JOHN for what REALLY HAPPENS and not what you think happened.
    THEN read
    First of all…you know this SIGN…the ONLY SIGN Yeshua would give.
    Matthew_12:40 “For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, Jon_1:17 so shall the Son of A?am be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
    Christians fully misunderstand the crucifixion story due to their ignorance of the Sabbath. There is a weekly Sabbath. There are also SEVEN Sabbaths associated with all of the feasts (Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Sukkot, the 8th Day). There is also the Sabbatical Year.
    Since this takes place at Passover, there are TWO Sabbaths close to each other. The Sabbath of Unleavened Bread which you confuse as being the weekly Sabbath followed by the actual weekly Sabbath.
    This leads them to accept a Good Friday, Sunday resurrection which is 100% against Scripture.
    Read the book of John for the correct translation of events.
    The Last Supper occurred Tuesday evening.
    Tried then crucified on Wednesday, which is Passover Preparation Day with the Passover lamb ate at sundown which is the beginning of Unleavened Bread and is a Sabbath.
    Therefore, they could not prepare his body on Thursday due to Sabbath.
    Friday is preparation for Friday sundown which begins the weekly Sabbath.
    No time to prepare for that AND prepare His body.
    Saturday was the weekly Sabbath.
    Sunday at dawn HE had ALREADY risen by the time they arrived to prepare His body.
    Wed prior to sundown He died.
    In grave Wed night, Thursday day and night, Friday day and night, Saturday day. Sunday…ALREADY RISEN!!!!
    He arose by sundown Saturday night or some point thereafter as LORD/Master of the Sabbath!
    That is 3 days and 3 nights.
    Historical documents and documentation of new moons which begin the months and therefore the timing of Passover allow the exact date to be determined.
    Christians have ELIMINATED the ONLY SIGN that YESHUA gave to KNOW HIM and not fall for another story of WHO He is. ….follow after another.
    You have turned it into 1 ½ days. You follow Ishtar…the fertility goddess. Ishtar became Easter in English. This is among the Roman gods Constantine followed.
    JOHN 5:43
    “I have come in My Father’s Name and you do not receive Me, if another comes in his own name, him you would receive.
    Yeshua came in His Father name ….it means Yehovah’s Salvation. (The Lamb of Elohim that takes away the sins of the world).
    If another comes….he you will receive…..that is Jesus….the one who supposed has done away with ALL of the Father’s laws. He didn’t, but that is not how he is taught.
    You follow man made Holy Days instead of God’s Holy Days
    You interpret the 10 commandments yourself instead of the interpretation God provides for His Law
    You changed His Sabbath and that is THE ONLY SIGN ….THE WEDDING RING ….that identifies you as HIS. THIS IS HIS MARK!
    Sabbath is THE MARK…..Sunday or any other Sabbath is the MARK of SATAN.
    Ezekiel 20: 12 And also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them,
    Go read Ezekiel 20:10-26 but not before you pray to God to open your heart, ears, and eyes to receive ONLY the truth and NOT what you want to believe.
    2Pe 3:14 So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
    HOW ARE YOU going to determine if you are blameless? HOW is ELOHIM going to judge if you are blameless of not? There is NO LAW so WHAT standard do you use?
    EVEN atheists are capable of loving their own family members.
    SO WHAT standard do YOU use?
    2Pe 3:15 and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him,
    PAUL wrote this TO YOU ….SO READ IT….
    2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures.
    2Pe 3:17 You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,
    (7) My closing to you
    SO much is mistranslated in the back of the book. Phrases are added are that NOT present in the Septuagint. Words are added to change the meaning to supposedly make the English into coherent sentences, but this changes the actually meaning of what was said. Simple mistranslations occur based on context.
    One example is Ecclesia in Greek. In the Tanach it is translated as ASSEMBLY.
    In the Renewed Covenant it is translated as CHURCH, unless it is negative connotation then they use Synagogue.
    The word is ASSEMBLY ….LEAVE OUT THE BIAS of Constantine and his new religion for his new Roman Church.
    The Jews who followed after Yeshua’ teachings mostly fled with Josephus to safety after the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Yeshua told them to stay until then.

  24. Jan

    I will now briefly address gentiles….they are not who you think they are.
    Mat_10:6  But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Mat_15:24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    WHO are the LOST sheep of the House of Israel?
    Israel consisted of 12 tribes, the 12 sons of Jacob.
    They later started fighting as all people and nations do and they separated into the Northern Kingdom, also known as the House of Israel, House of Ephraim, and House of Joseph. They retained House of Israel since it consisted of 10 of the 12 tribes.
    The Southern Kingdom, also known as House of Judah consisted of Judah and Benjamin. Levi was split between the two kingdoms or two houses.
    The Northern Kingdom, the House of Israel, aka Ephraim, was exiled from the land.
    Because they CHANGED the Holy Days to a different time and a different location!!!!
    God then DIVORCED them.
    They are NO LONGER in covenant. They USE TO BE due to the Sinai covenant, but then HE divorced them.
    THEY are NOT LOST…..These are the people Jesus sent His disciples to. They had been taken into exile by the Assyrian Empire. Everyone at that time knew exactly where they were, including Paul. They were in area today of Syria and Turkey, Asia Minor.
    Peter is addressing his letter to these people….the descendants of the House of Israel / Ephraim in Asia Minor….
    1Peter 1:1  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 
    James too addresses his letter to the 12 tribes….
    James 1:1  James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 
    Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, Go! For this one is a chosen vessel to Me, to bear My name before nations and kings and the sons of Israel.
    Paul went to the gentile nations originally to speak to kings.
    THEN he went to the SONS OF ISRAEL just like the other disciples did.
    Now, common sense also tells us since the exiled tribes were in these foreign lands, they were exposed to those who were never in covenant to begin with.
    SOME of them likely heard Paul’s teachings too.
    Just like we see those stories in ACTS. The Roman centurian, etc.
    In Hebrew, there is a distinction made between people that have never been in covenant and those who were in covenant and divorced. They are all translated to the same English word GENTILE.
    Many times you see “those Greeks”….they are actually talking about the House of Israel. It was a derogatory term applied to them.
    LOTS of politics involved and religious systems involved.
    SO MUCH to learn.
    I do pray you will start searching it out and not reject everything Joe and I have both posted.
    The Scriptures will open up and so will the prophecies.
    The amazing love and 7,000 year story unfolds.

  25. Harold White

    Hi Jan,
    I appreciate your concern and I am actually well versed in everything you may have thought I was not. I am also very familiar with your British Israel theories which no historian of any repute believes. Further, Joe talks about modern day Assyria being Germany and pardon me but this is just laughable. I have friends who are Assyrians from Iraq. They are alive and well in their original homeland and in no way shape or form resemble Germans. Again no reputable historian believes modern day Germans are the descendants of ancient Assyria. I will repeat what I have said several times in this discussion. Normative Christianity grew because it offered new and fresh ideas not a return to Leviticus and Jewish rituals, festivals and practices. It flourished and does today under its sublime and beautiful message which is that salvation comes through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as our personal saviour. No moon sightings, barley observations, legalistic practices of the Old Covenant. My prayer for you and Joe is that you will have the transformative experience of the former Worldwide Church of God which Joe belonged to and is now known as Grace Communion International. God’s mercy was shown to them and their eyes were opened to the true message of Grace. It is one of the most startling transformations in religious history and praise Jesus Christ for it happening.
    Blessings in Christ our Saviour and the knowledge that we are saved by his Grace,

  26. Jan

    One last comment Harold White about Peter addressing circumcision.
    The Pharisees (called “The Circumcision” by Paul) INSISTED these people Paul were talking to HAD to be circumcised NOW PERIOD. Paul and the disciples had already made the determination that only 4 things should be required of people upon teaching (or re-teaching them what was lost) the rulings of God. They then indicated these other laws, including circumcision will be learned by them AS THEY attend synagogue each week and continue to learn. They didn’t want to hit up a 50 year old man and demand he be circumcised before he understood anything as to WHY! That man would have run for the hills. So they knew to teach gradually and to let the LOVE of God through learning and understanding His ways DRAW the individual near to HIM and then LOVE bring about a desire to be obedient to all of God’s laws. Circumcision is very much required ultimately.
    Act 15:5  And some of the believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees, rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Torah of Mosheh.” 
    (THESE are the Pharisees Paul and Disciples battle over and over. Politics is involved here too, but that is another lesson. They demand and require circumcision and therefore they battle against Paul.)
    Act 15:6  And the emissaries and elders came together to look into this matter. 
    Act 15:7  And when there had been much dispute, K?pha rose up and said to them, “Men, brothers, you know that a good while ago Elohim chose among us, that by my mouth the nations should hear the word of the Good News and believe.
    (The GOOD NEWS that Jesus died for your sins that formerly required the death penalty of stoning. The Law of Sin and Death. NOT the doing away with the law.)
    WHAT IS THEIR Decision? READ ON!!!!
    Act 15:8  “And Elohim, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Set-apart Spirit, as also to us,
    (GOD approves of their decision) 
    Act 15:9  and made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by belief. 
    Act 15:10  “Now then, why do you try Elohim by putting a yoke on the neck of the taught ones which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 
    READ ON FOR PROPER UNDERSTANDING!!!! PASTORS LOVE TO QUOTE ONLY ONE VERSE because they KNOW they can not substantiate their doctrine when they read an entire chapter.
    Act 15:11  “But through the favour of the Master ????? Messiah we trust to be saved, in the same way as they.” 
    Act 15:19  “Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the nations who are turning to Elohim, 
    Act 15:20  but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols,a and from whoring,b and from what is strangled,c and from blood.d Footnotes: a Exo_22:20, Lev_17:7, Deu_32:17, Deu_32:21, 1Co_10:14, 1Co_10:20-21. b Num_25:1-3, Lev_17:7. c Gen_9:4, Eze_33:25 (Strangled – One way of eating meat with blood) Pro_21:25. d Lev_17:10-14. 
    Act 15:21  “For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.” 
    They have decided with God’s approval to only require these FOUR laws of God’s at the beginning and then AS THEY LISTEN TO MOSES EVERY SABBATH, they will learn about ALL the other laws AS they learn to LOVE HIM and seek obedience to Him.
    DO NOT READ ONLY ONE VERSE and corrupt the Scriptures. THIS IS WHY Christians Pastors are SO DANGEROUS and YEHOVAH calls them FALSE SHEPHERDS and HE says in the prophecies HE is going to kill every one of them for leading HIS sheep astray.