“Ben Ha Arbayim or Between the Evenings – When is it?”

Joseph F. Dumond

Isa 6:9-12 And He said, Go, and tell this people, You hear indeed, but do not understand; and seeing you see, but do not know. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn back, and be healed. Then I said, Lord, how long? And He answered, Until the cities are wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land laid waste, a desolation, and until Jehovah has moved men far away, and the desolation in the midst of the land is great.
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January 4, 2025

Shabbat Shalom to the Royal Family of Yehovah, 

The New Moon was seen in Israel Wednesday evening, making today the Sabbath, the 3rd day of the 12th month.

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This week I want to review with you about when is the Ben Ha Arbayim and what this means.

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The medieval commentator Rashi wrote that the Hebrew word for wrestle (avek) implies that Jacob was “tied”, for the same word is used to describe knotted fringes in a Jewish prayer shawl, the tzitzityot. Rashi says, “thus is the manner of two people who struggle to overthrow each other, that one embraces the other and knots him with his arms”.

Our intellectual wrestling has been replaced by a different kind of struggle. We are wrestling with Yehovah as we grapple with His Word. It is an intimate act, symbolizing a relationship in which Yehovah and you and I are bound together. My wrestling is a struggle to discover what Yehovah expects of us, and we are “tied” to the One who assists us in that struggle.

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Our Torah sessions each Shabbat teaches you and encourages you to constantly challenge, question, argue against, as well as view alternative views and explanations of the Word. In other words, we are to “wrestle with the Word” to get to the truth. Jews worldwide believe that you need to wrestle with the Word and constantly challenge Dogma, Theology, and views or else you will never get to the Truth.

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The Perpetual Calendar

The Perpetual Calendar

We have available from our website a calendar you can use to keep track of the days of the month based on when the barley is ripe and when the moon is sighted. All you have to do is download it. https://sightedmoon.com/perpetual-calendar/

With the new year about to begin, you can learn about the calendar as you record it. This is a great tool to have and it is free to anyone who wants it.

7 Comments

  1. Dear sir shabbat shalom

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  2. While a very interesting article and perspective, it leaves SEVERELY unanswered questions.

    For example, IF the Passover Lamb is not killed until the late afternoon on the 14th as you describe, WHEN WAS THE PREPARATION / COOKING TIME?

    Let’s consider a 35-40# lamb. It was to be ROASTED WHOLE, basically on a spit over an open fire. It was to be roasted with it’s head, legs, and inward parts intact. Eating none of it raw. Exodus 12:8-9.

    A 20# dressed and gutted turkey in a conventional oven can take 5-6 hours with a constant temp of 325-350°. So a WHOLE lamb weighing twice as much, undressed, is apt to take AT LEAST 10-12 hours to fully cook through, including entrails.

    So in your explanation, where is the 10-12 hours prep time? If killed ~3 pm, THERE IS NO TIME TO COOK BEFORE SUNSET that started the 15th, the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread.

    Further, the 1st being an annual HOLY SABBATH DAY, they were not allowed to kindle or feed a fire on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:3. So HOW could they have finished cooking the Passover Lamb? And SINCE ANY leftovers that remained until morning were to be burned with fire, Exo 12:10, if they were restricted from kindling a fire, how could they possibly have burned the leftovers come morning?

    Exo 16:23, explains that Israel was to bake and seethe on the 6th day, what they were to eat on the 7th, so are we not EXPECTED to have our food prepared before the Sabbath so that neither spouse nor slave WORKS ON THE SABBATH?

    I’m sorry Joseph but your explanation DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COOKING TIME OF THE PASSOVER LAMB!

    It HAD to be FULLY COOKED BEFORE SUNSET THAT STARTED THE 15TH!

    SO THE PASSOVER LAMB COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SLAIN AT 3 PM! Regardless of what Josephus or anybody else writes!

    Have you asked how Jesus could have had a final Passover meal with His disciples in Luke 22:15? How could the lamb of God eat the Passover BEFORE the lamb was killed? Yet the disciples asked Him where to go to prepare the Passover. Mat 26:17: Mk 14:12, Lk 22:8.

    Are we going to call Messiah a liar and say He really didn’t eat a Passover before suffering?

    Yet it additionally PROVES that the institution of the bread and wine sacraments, occurred the early evening portion of the 14th day, AFTER the end of the 13th.

    Have you considered that is WHY Passover on the 14th,is considered the DAY OF PREPARATION for the first day of UL Bread?

    Now SINCE Messiah ate a Passover meal with His disciples on the evening portion of the 14th, after the 13th ended, was there really an animal sheep/lamb prepared for that meal? Likely not, UNLESS this lamb was killed on the 13th and prepared special for His supper. Or Messiah could have cooked instantaneously with a miracle, BUT NOTHING indicates such occurred.

    What’s more to consider is that Israelites were not to go out of their houses til morning Exo 12:22 after brushing the blood on their doorposts.

    Yet Moses and Aaron went out when summoned by Pharaoh, and IF the lamb was killed as evening began the. 14th, not only did Messiah and the disciples go out, so also did those sent to arrest Messiah . ((This is an argument in favor of a day time sacrifice of the lamb, maybe 9 am too allow for cooking time?) But a 3 PM sacrifice DOES NOT ALLOW FOR TIME TO COOK THE LAMB BEFORE THE HOLY DAY OF UL BREAD BEGINS! Nor does it consider restrictions on working, nor kindling a fire.

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    • You do need to do better research than what your doing.

      The lamb only takes about 4-5 hour when slowly cooked.

      Yehshu did not eat the Passover meal. Earlier that same day He said Passover was two days away and that night He ate with the Apostles. It was not Passover. He sent Judas out to buy provisions. He would not have done that on a High Holy Days. He gave Judas leavened Bread. Something you dont have at the Passover seder.

      It was a High Holy Day and you are allowed to cook on that day. So they ate and then the death angel passed and they were told to leave in the middle of the night.

      The context in Exodus 12 makes it abundantly clear that the Israelites left Egypt in the middle of the night:

      At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt… During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested. 32 Take your flocks and herds, as you have said, and go. And also bless me.”

      33 The Egyptians urged the people to hurry and leave the country. “For otherwise,” they said, “we will all die!” 34 So the people took their dough before the yeast was added, and carried it on their shoulders in kneading troughs wrapped in clothing… The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Sukkoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. 38 Many other people went up with them, and also large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds. 39 With the dough the Israelites had brought from Egypt, they baked loaves of unleavened bread. The dough was without yeast because they had been driven out of Egypt and did not have time to prepare food for themselves.

      For those skeptics out there, Deuteronomy 16:1 clearly spells this out:

      Observe the month of Abib and celebrate the Passover of the LORD your God, because in the month of Abib he brought you out of Egypt BY NIGHT.

      Numbers 33:3 does not necessarily contradict that, since that could mean that they didnt actually cross the border of Egypt until dawn. But it’s clear that they left Goshen when it was still dark.

      But in verse 22 Moses commands them not to leave the house until morning:

      Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. None of you shall go out of the door of your house until morning.

      Did the Israelites not heed this command then? Moses knew well that the Egyptians would rush them out of Egypt, indeed Moses commands them in v. 11 to eat the Pascal lamb in haste:

      This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the Lord’s Passover.

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  3. In addition, to not considering cooking time, and various other restrictions, we must consider HANGING TIME.

    Israel was not to consume blood, so it seems logical that the lamb hung for at least 1-2 hours before roasting. Also, time was needed to brush blood on doorposts, maybe 15 minutes?

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  4. From the source which Mr. Joe Dumond lengthily advocates, this well-composed article [https://www.hope-of-israel.org/mythpass.html] clarifies issues I’ve had for years re annually hosting “The Lord’s Supper” ceremony.
    Ie, hosting a family-inclusive ‘Passover’ meal at the night of 15 Abib [whenever that is???] but NOT preceding that Torah-endorsed occasion with a formal Catholic-style [symbolic unleavened bread/token red wine/mutual foot-washing] ‘Last Supper’ 24 hours earlier. That, for me novel but justifiable, one-night-only sequence breaks the two-night tradition I’ve followed, off and on, since 1968 ww. C. of G. days. Both Joe and I previously followed that H.W.Armstrong annualised ‘Lord’s Supper’ erroneous tradition…. as does the, in this case, misled minister, Fred Coulter, whom Joe correctly criticised.

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  5. Something you may want to consider. Erev is also translated mingled, the idea being the mingling of darkness with light. As the sun begins its decent darkness begins to mingle with the light, this is the evening of the proceeding day, that is one evening. After the sun has set the light continues to mingle with the darkness for a few hours before it gets fully dark, this is the 2nd evening. If sunset is the dividing point of 24 hour days (which I believe is the case), the Hebrew phrase בן העברים may very well be referring to both the evening before and after sunset, the time period where darkness and light are mingled, generally from 3pm to 9pm. This allows plenty of time for the Pesach, and helps explain why the 14th and 15th of the Pesach are inextricably linked and it also explains how in some verses evening seems to be referring to the beginning of a day, and other verses it refers to the end of a day, because there is an evening at the beginning and end of each 24 hour day, therefore “evenings”

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